14 Mar
1999
14 Mar
'99
5:25 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:35:55 -0500, Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
wrote:
>The manual for the 1420 has a date of July 1979 on
it. The ID tag on the
>terminal indicates that it was manufactured in Greenlawn NY.
This building is about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's on Pulaski
Road in Greenlawn. The sign outside now says "GEC/Marconi/Hazeltine" and is
locally acknowledged as a Superfund site (although I never checked if it
made the CERCLA list or not). Place has been there forever and is a pretty
unassuming 2-story Government-style office building, but with no fences or
razor wire. Looking in, it appears that the interior consists of a cube-farm
on the lower floor and some offices on the upper floor. I don't know if
there is manufacturing in the rear or not, although it appears overall to be
a large building.
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14 Mar
14 Mar
9:26 p.m.
This one is a 1500 and made in Greenlawn, NJ. I suspect (after powering) that
it needs either a switch or breaker, one of them is bad. It does get video and
sometimes ASCII with a power light and a beeper. Not sure if this is because of
no tie to a serial port. The baud switches say that it can go to 19,200 baud.
Richard A. Cini, Jr. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:35:55 -0500, Steve Robertson
<steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
wrote:
>The manual for the 1420 has a date of July
1979 on it. The ID tag on the
>terminal indicates that it was manufactured in Greenlawn NY.
This building is about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's on Pulaski
Road in Greenlawn. The sign outside now says "GEC/Marconi/Hazeltine" and is
locally acknowledged as a Superfund site (although I never checked if it
made the CERCLA list or not). Place has been there forever and is a pretty
unassuming 2-story Government-style office building, but with no fences or
razor wire. Looking in, it appears that the interior consists of a cube-farm
on the lower floor and some offices on the upper floor. I don't know if
there is manufacturing in the rear or not, although it appears overall to be
a large building.
[ Rich Cini/WUGNET
[ ClubWin!/CW7
[ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
[ Collector of "classic" computers
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/
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15 Mar
15 Mar
1:29 a.m.
At 02:25 PM 3/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:35:55 -0500, Steve Robertson
<steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
wrote:
That's common for places that used to make circuit boards. Almost all of
them simply dumped the waste water containing copper, nickel, tim, lead and
chromium out the back door.
Joe
>The manual for the 1420 has a date of July
1979 on it. The ID tag on the
>terminal indicates that it was manufactured in Greenlawn NY.
This building is about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's on Pulaski
Road in Greenlawn. The sign outside now says "GEC/Marconi/Hazeltine" and is
locally acknowledged as a Superfund site 
14 Mar
14 Mar
11:42 p.m.
>The manual for the 1420 has a date of July 1979 on
it. The ID tag on the
>terminal indicates that it was manufactured in Greenlawn NY.
This building is about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's on Pulaski
Road in Greenlawn. The sign outside now says "GEC/Marconi/Hazeltine" and is
locally acknowledged as a Superfund site 
15 Mar
15 Mar
2:05 a.m.
Joe wrote:
That might have been true many, many years ago, but my involvement with the
mfg of printed circuit boards started in the mid 70's, and that was not the
case from that point on. Second, the statement about dumping copper, nickel,
etc. is very misleading unless you specify both the amount and the
concentrations of the waste chemistry you are talking about. Thirdly, a lot
of toxic wastes were *legally* disposed of with all the associated
government regulations that the government is now coming back and looking
for money to clean up sites they had approved as safe. A favorite saying of
mine is "There would be no such thing as the environmental movement were it
not for scientific illiteracy." Yes, it is an overstatement, but there is a
lot of truth there.
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:35:55 -0500, Steve
Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
wrote:
This building is about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's on Pulaski
Road in Greenlawn. The sign outside now says "GEC/Marconi/Hazeltine" and is
locally acknowledged as a Superfund site
That's common for places that used to make circuit boards. Almost all of
them simply dumped the waste water containing copper, nickel, tim, lead and
chromium out the back door.
11:27 a.m.
Marvin,
I'm not sure what you're getting at but I know from first hand knowledge
that many companies were still dumping those chemicals well into the early
80s. But that's not the point, we were talking about Hazeltine and they've
been in business since at least the early fifties. That's when the USAF
bought the Hazeltine equipment that I used to work on.
Second, the statement about dumping copper, nickel,
That might have been true many, many years ago, but my involvement with the
mfg of printed circuit boards started in the mid 70's, and that was not the
case from that point on. Second, the statement about dumping copper, nickel,
etc. is very misleading unless you specify both the amount and the
concentrations of the waste chemistry you are talking about. Thirdly, a lot
of toxic wastes were *legally* disposed of with all the associated
government regulations that the government is now coming back and looking
for money to clean up sites they had approved as safe. A favorite saying of
mine is "There would be no such thing as the environmental movement were it
not for scientific illiteracy." Yes, it is an overstatement, but there is a
lot of truth there.
etc. is very misleading unless you specify both the
amount and the
concentrations of the waste chemistry you are talking about.
Misleading? All of those are toxic in anything above trace amounts.
That's why the Hazeltine factory is now a superfund site. For example, the
human requirement of copper is only 3 milligrams per day, even low levels
above that are toxic.
Thirdly, a lot
of toxic wastes were *legally* disposed of with all the
associated
government regulations that the government is now coming back and looking
for money to clean up sites they had approved as safe.
That's all too true. The government has known about the hazards of most
of this stuff for a LONG time before they ever took action to stop it being
dumped. The last place that I worked used a lot of Beryllium. I studied
it's health hazards of as part of my job. I was very surprised to find an
old US government report that stated that Beryllium had been in wide spread
use since the 1930s and was generally considered safe, but that right after
WWII they finally studied it's health effects and found that it was one of
the most toxic substances known. Despite the fact that the US government
knew of it's hazards, we were never warned of it. We were still machining
it, grinding it, polishing it, etc etc etc with no precautions AND dumping
it in the early '90s.
Joe
At 08:05 AM 3/15/99 -0800, wrote:
Joe wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:35:55 -0500, Steve Robertson
<steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
> >wrote:
> > This building is about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's on
Pulaski
> >Road in Greenlawn. The sign outside now says
"GEC/Marconi/Hazeltine"
and is
locally acknowledged as a Superfund site
That's common for places that used to make circuit boards. Almost all of
them simply dumped the waste water containing copper, nickel, tim, lead and
chromium out the back door.
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