5 Jun
2005
5 Jun
'05
7:30 a.m.
Subject: 9900 CPU was:Re: Rescued Items
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj at cfl.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:54:28 -0400
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
At 09:43 AM 6/5/05 -0400, Allison wrote:
Yep! I want one!!! ;)
On the real front I'm looking for the TI9900 (cpu chip) based stuff.
They are a bit lighter.
Check out the Fluke equipment including the Fluke 1722A GP-IB Instrument
Controller. Fluke used the 9900 in a lot of their stuff. The 1722 is
similar to the HP 9915 and Tektronix 4041 and uses the 9900 CPU. I have a
complete set of docs for it if you find one. I think I have the DOS disk
for it as well.
I have raw 9900 chips but TI made both a system and board level
products using that CPU. The tek and fluke equipment I know about
but they don't thrill me.
Hmm. I just checked E-bay and there's one for
sale there now
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1504&item=7520651328
I don't do Ebay. It involves more trust that I am able to muster.
. They want way too much for it but it does
include the hard to find
programmer's keyboard. There are a couple others for
sale there as well
<http://search.ebay.com/fluke-1722_W0QQfromZR40QQsatitleZflukeQ201722Q2aQQso
jsZ1>. From what I've seen more monies lost than I care to
loose.
Allison
5 Jun
5 Jun
8 a.m.
Allison wrote:
I don't do Ebay. It involves more trust than I am
able to muster.
From what I've seen more monies lost than I care to loose.
Most sellers and buyers are perfectly honest. What hurts me (more
emotionally than financially!) is when I buy something heavy and
fragile, and the seller is so naive that he packs it poorly and it
arrives banged up, damaged, or broken. Usually it's obvious that
there was insufficient packaging - e.g. 70 lb items put in lightweight
cardboard boxes filled with just styrofoam fuzzies. But I feel
bad going after the seller, because he honestly thought that shipping
insurance would cover his carelessness. Clearly he was mistaken.
OTOH not going after the sellers who are careless like this encourages
them to continue shoddy packaging.
The big-time test equipment sellers I've dealt with have always done
exceptionally good packaging jobs. These guys are always up-front about
the cost of packaging materials, because they've done it hundreds of
times before and know how to make it survive the hazards of UPS guys
kicking the box off the back of a moving truck. I have no qualms at
all dealing with such sellers!
Tim.
8:55 a.m.
In message <42A31387.nail6GB11EZVL at mini-me.trailing-edge.com>
shoppa_classiccmp at trailing-edge.com wrote:
The big-time test equipment sellers I've dealt
with have always done
exceptionally good packaging jobs. These guys are always up-front about
the cost of packaging materials, because they've done it hundreds of
times before and know how to make it survive the hazards of UPS guys
kicking the box off the back of a moving truck. I have no qualms at
all dealing with such sellers!
I had an oscilloscope shipped from Leeds to Guernsey a few months back and
wrapped it in as much bubblewrap as the box would take without splitting. Six
layers minimum on each side, plus two layers around the cables. I spent about
an hour cutting bits of bubblewrap and cardboard to protect the front
panel... Yes, it arrived intact at the other end, though a little worse for
wear - apparently one of the delivery guys at the depot dropped a box full of
strawberry jam, which left a rather nasty mess on the box.
I think I ended up using a roll and a half of bubblewrap just for the scope.
The recipient said it took him 20 minutes to get all the bubblewrap off :)
Later.
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9:31 a.m.
I think I ended up using a roll and a half of
bubblewrap just for the
scope.
It's great you used lots of bubblewrap, but that's not enough to cope
with the abuse UPS puts on packages here in the US. You'd definitely
need to at least double-box, and probably need corner protectors and
some sort of hollow cap to cover knobs and connectors on the front.
Just imagine what would happen to your scope if it was dropped on a
corner of the face from a height of 6 feet or so. That's entirely
typical of the handling I see.
Tim.
11:27 a.m.
New subject: 9900 CPU was:Re: Rescued Items
On 6/5/05, shoppa_classiccmp at trailing-edge.com
<shoppa_classiccmp at trailing-edge.com> wrote:
I've said it here before, and I'll say it again - don't ship UPS
unless your packaging job can withstand the parcel being hurled from a
car at 30mph because they have a conveyer that's 4 feet off the
ground, moving at that speed, and *stuff falls off the belt every
day*.
Good point about the hollow-box knob protectors... I brought back my
Poptronics Elf in a box of electronic stuff on an airplane, and there
must have been some pressure on the crystal (highest point on the
board), because the board is now cracked (not obliterated) in the
middle. Next time, I'll build a cage for it to prevent any
reoccurrance.
-ethan
I think I
ended up using a roll and a half of bubblewrap just for the
scope.
Just imagine what would happen to your scope if it was dropped on a
corner of the face from a height of 6 feet or so. That's entirely
typical of the handling I see. 
6 Jun
6 Jun
5:29 a.m.
At 12:31 PM 6/5/05 -0400, you wrote:
You're exactly righht about UPS handling. That's just one reason why I
switched to FedEx and no longer use UPS.
Joe
I think I
ended up using a roll and a half of bubblewrap just for the
scope.
It's great you used lots of bubblewrap, but that's not enough to cope
with the abuse UPS puts on packages here in the US. You'd definitely
need to at least double-box, and probably need corner protectors and
some sort of hollow cap to cover knobs and connectors on the front.
Just imagine what would happen to your scope if it was dropped on a
corner of the face from a height of 6 feet or so. That's entirely
typical of the handling I see. 
7:51 a.m.
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 shoppa_classiccmp at trailing-edge.com wrote:
Allison wrote:
By default, whether the item arrived in good condition or otherwise, I
always leave negative feedback for poor packaging. Some people need
incentive for correcting their bad habits.
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I don't do Ebay. It involves more trust than
I am able to muster.
From what I've seen more monies lost than I care to loose.
Most sellers and buyers are perfectly honest. What hurts me (more
emotionally than financially!) is when I buy something heavy and
fragile, and the seller is so naive that he packs it poorly and it
arrives banged up, damaged, or broken. Usually it's obvious that
there was insufficient packaging - e.g. 70 lb items put in lightweight
cardboard boxes filled with just styrofoam fuzzies. But I feel
bad going after the seller, because he honestly thought that shipping
insurance would cover his carelessness. Clearly he was mistaken.
OTOH not going after the sellers who are careless like this encourages
them to continue shoddy packaging. 
5 Jun
5 Jun
8:15 a.m.
New subject: Ebay trust (was Re: 9900 CPU was:Re: Rescued Items)
From: "Allison" <ajp166 at bellatlantic.net>
I don't do Ebay. It involves more trust that I am
able to muster.
From what I've seen more monies lost than I care to loose.
While I understand this sentiment, I have never been ripped off on eBay. In
my experience (admittedly mostly limited to classic DEC gear) the vast
majority of eBay sellers are a pleasure to do business with. The few
problems I have had are with amateurs who don't know how to pack things, and
small problems, like people who sell me stuff, then have to refund my money
because they can't find the item under their huge piles of clutter (has
happened 3 times in as many years).
But everyone has been good about refunding my money or working to make
things right. And the transactions that go without a hitch have been well
above 90%.
I am sure there are rip-offs on eBay somewhere, but I haven't seen them.
Vince
10:28 a.m.
New subject: Ebay trust (was Re: 9900 CPU was:Re: Rescued Items)
On 6/5/05, vrs <vrs at msn.com> wrote:
From: "Allison" <ajp166 at
bellatlantic.net>
If you avoid other countries, avoid western union, avoid fancy items
(new laptop, digital camera, etc) you are almost sure to be free from
trouble.
vax, 9000
I don't do Ebay. It involves more trust that
I am able to muster.
From what I've seen more monies lost than I care to loose.
While I understand this sentiment, I have never been ripped off on eBay. In
my experience (admittedly mostly limited to classic DEC gear) the vast
majority of eBay sellers are a pleasure to do business with. The few
problems I have had are with amateurs who don't know how to pack things, and
small problems, like people who sell me stuff, then have to refund my money
because they can't find the item under their huge piles of clutter (has
happened 3 times in as many years).
But everyone has been good about refunding my money or working to make
things right. And the transactions that go without a hitch have been well
above 90%.
I am sure there are rip-offs on eBay somewhere, but I haven't seen them.
Vince
12:24 p.m.
New subject: Ebay trust (was Re: 9900 CPU was:Re: Rescued Items)
If you avoid other countries, avoid western union,
avoid fancy items
(new laptop, digital camera, etc) you are almost sure to be free from
trouble.
I am one of these seller, and even I avoid Western Union transfers like
the plague. All three times a buyer has used it, something was not smooth
(everything wrked in the end, however). Western Union Bidpay, on the other
hand, now works just fine, and I prefer it to Paypal.
For the record, I finally got ripped off on Ebay, after nearly seven
years. Luckily I am out only ten bucks.
Now deadbeat buyers, on the other hand...
William Donzelli
aw288 at osfn.org
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