The URL's I found on http://euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html were a little out of date - but starting with ftp.apple.com and using "English-NorthAmerican" instead of "US" I got there. There may be other pointers. Have not tried out the patched version yet. I love this list. I actually needed this info today - and here it is! Thanks, Wizard! NeXT problem - got an IBM DPES-31080 off of ebay (mea culpa, perhaps I deserve the consequences). I can hook it up and it is recognized by the NeXT SCSI bus [1] as a "COMPAQPCDPES31080", so it's not totally dead. Unfortunately the first thing I did to it was run sdform. Sdform completed normally, didn't complain. Then tried to run "disk" to change the label and put a boot block in. I can read the label and change what "disk" sees as the label, but when I do that, or anything else, I get a lot of messsages that say sd1: incomplete disk transfer: bytes moved = 0x2000, resid = 0x2000, retry 1 I tried format from the "disk" interactive list. No complaints. Back to write label, or init, or any of the other options - same error message. Gave the drive to the local support desk - they "formatted" it no problems on a WinNT machine. I have an email out to them to ask whether they actually initialized it after that or not. Interestingly, they report the DPES has a different label than what I put on it and what my copy of "disk" still reports for it. Next thing I'll do, barring any better suggestions, is pop it into a Power Mac 8500 in a lab here and play with it using patched HD SC 7.3.5 (see above). Suggestions solicited and welcome. The drive is at home today, will be back in the office with the tools tomorrow. - Mark [1] But not always. It's not recognized, whether its active termination is on or not, if it's the only drive on the SCSI chain. It is recognized in an external case with one other drive and with one internal drive, and it's recognized if it's on the internal bus with the other internal drive. Not if it's internal alone. Have not tried it external alone.