28 May
2002
28 May
'02
1:21 p.m.
Returned to my last gold mine in Topeka; Joe and I found some nice
stuff. With his sharp eyes he found more Amiga memory & SCSI cards for
me. He went home with some S100 memory cards, and a B&H (black) Apple
II. I came home with another C64, two 1541 drives, another Ozzie I with
modem, and miscellaneous Apple II cards and documentation.
Surplus Exchange(in the west Bottoms) had the goodies cordoned off; I
believe they are throwing out the vintage stuff and rearranging the
salable PC stuff.
Had a find time killing the day. My thanks to Joe and his sharp eyes;
what he found really made my day.
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
1 Jun
1 Jun
4:59 a.m.
Hi All,
I just back from Kansas. To tell the truth I wasn't expecting to find anything out
there but the pickings were a lot better than I expected. I meet up with Gary Hildebrand
and he showed my around. Our best source was in Topeka. I got a Bell & Howell black
Apple II, I spotted SIX! Zenith Z-110s, a TI-990 with blicken lights on the front panel, a
TRS model 1, several Compaq P-IIs and a P-III, parts of an original IBM Display Writer.
Gary found and bought an Ozzy OCC-1 and several Commie 64s and peripherals in their
original boxs and some Vic 20 and c-64 cartridges. I also found a pile Amiga cards that
Gary bought. Gary hadn't even been looking in the baskets of cards that they had
pulled, but I'll bet that he does from now on! I just got a message from him and he
says that the cards are really special so he's really tickled with them. I also found
a number of odd Apple II cards and split them with Gary. He and I both got an Echo card
which I think is a speech synthesizer, he got a card that appears to add LocalTalk and Mac
type serial port to the Apple II, I got a card with a cigarette pack sized external box
that appears to be some kind of external I/O interface. It's made by Don Johnson
Developement Equipment and says Adaptive Firmware Card on it.
Sorry to take so long to report but something happened to my interent connection while
I was gone and it took a couple of days to straighten out. In addition, I stayed an extra
day and TRIED to vist the Harley Davidson Assembly plant in KCMO but didn't make it
there.
BTW has anyone here tried to carry an old computer on the arilines lately and had to go
through the WHOLE security checkout? I did and it was "interesting". :-(
Joe
At 08:21 PM 5/28/02 -0500, you wrote:
Returned to my last gold mine in Topeka; Joe and I
found some nice
stuff. With his sharp eyes he found more Amiga memory & SCSI cards for
me. He went home with some S100 memory cards, and a B&H (black) Apple
II. I came home with another C64, two 1541 drives, another Ozzie I with
modem, and miscellaneous Apple II cards and documentation.
Surplus Exchange(in the west Bottoms) had the goodies cordoned off; I
believe they are throwing out the vintage stuff and rearranging the
salable PC stuff.
Had a find time killing the day. My thanks to Joe and his sharp eyes;
what he found really made my day.
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
10:18 a.m.
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Joe wrote:
to the Apple II, I got a card with a cigarette pack
sized external box
that appears to be some kind of external I/O interface. It's made by Don
Johnson Developement Equipment and says Adaptive Firmware Card on it.
That's the Miami Heat upgrade for the Apple ][ that makes it run much
"cooler". People who bought that for their Apple also usually bought a
pair of sunglasses to wear while programming and sported five o'clock
shadows to go with the whole image.
BTW has anyone here tried to carry an old computer
on the arilines
lately and had to go through the WHOLE security checkout? I did and it
was "interesting". :-(
I've done so twice since September 11: once on November 6 (to Austria) and
last on April 25 (to Munich), both times schlepping scheisse for Hans. I
always expect a good cavity check every time I fly now since I'm Arabic.
The first time on the way to Austria it was relatively hassle free. They
ran my bags through the X-ray machines but all the electronics and metal
didn't seem to phase whoever was at the helm. Coming back I had a nice
big old East German (as in DDR era) computer I bought at VCF Europa 2.0
and got stopped in London. Security took me down to a stairwell near the
tarmack and had me open the boxes to show them what was inside. I also
explained who I was and what I did for good measure. They were satisfied
and let me on my way (and held the plane up for me).
The last time I got checked on my way to Germany. In San Francisco, they
ran my bags through the X-ray machine and saw lots of alarming wires,
metal, etc. They checked through each bag thoroughly, which sucked
because then I had to make sure everything was packed firmly again since
I didn't want Hans to yell at me when I got to Munich with his stuff all
broken up. On the way back I was hauling just a disk drive and some
Atari carthridges not expecting any hassle, but the customs guys were
complete dicks in Atlanta and held me up while they checked through my
luggage. That's the first time I've ever had the full customs check.
Atlanta sucks.
Whoever tells you the checks are "random" and not based on ethnicity or
appearance is just trying to be PC. I'm sure there is a bit of randomness
involved, but that's for the non-Arab, non-Muslim flying contingent.
There's only been one time out of perhaps ten where I didn't have to go
through the extra pre-boarding check before a flight. I'm convinced that
me and my peeps get red flagged and added to the "check thoroughly" pool
as soon as we step in the airport, and other "regular" folk are just
thrown into the pool at random to make it look like "we" aren't being
targeted.
Welcome to the New America.
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10:29 a.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
<snip snip>
I always expect a good cavity check every time I fly
now since I'm Arabic.
The first time on the way to Austria it was relatively hassle free. They
ran my bags through the X-ray machines but all the electronics and metal
didn't seem to phase whoever was at the helm. Coming back I had a nice
big old East German (as in DDR era) computer I bought at VCF Europa 2.0
and got stopped in London. Security took me down to a stairwell near the
tarmack and had me open the boxes to show them what was inside. I also
explained who I was and what I did for good measure. They were satisfied
and let me on my way (and held the plane up for me).
The last time I got checked on my way to Germany. In San Francisco, they
ran my bags through the X-ray machine and saw lots of alarming wires,
metal, etc. They checked through each bag thoroughly, which sucked
because then I had to make sure everything was packed firmly again since
I didn't want Hans to yell at me when I got to Munich with his stuff all
broken up. On the way back I was hauling just a disk drive and some
Atari carthridges not expecting any hassle, but the customs guys were
complete dicks in Atlanta and held me up while they checked through my
luggage. That's the first time I've ever had the full customs check.
Atlanta sucks.
Whoever tells you the checks are "random" and not based on ethnicity or
appearance is just trying to be PC. I'm sure there is a bit of randomness
involved, but that's for the non-Arab, non-Muslim flying contingent.
There's only been one time out of perhaps ten where I didn't have to go
through the extra pre-boarding check before a flight. I'm convinced that
me and my peeps get red flagged and added to the "check thoroughly" pool
as soon as we step in the airport, and other "regular" folk are just
thrown into the pool at random to make it look like "we" aren't being
targeted.
Welcome to the New America.
Same old America we've always had, ask the Japanese that were interred
during WWII . . . paranoia ran rampant then and runs rampant now. We no
longer have the Soviet threat (cold war), so we have to have another
scapegoat.
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
5:54 p.m.
On Saturday, June 1, 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
I've [flown with an old computer] twice since
September 11: once on
November 6 (to Austria) and last on April 25 (to Munich), both times
schlepping scheisse for Hans. I always expect a good cavity check every
time I fly now since I'm Arabic.
I subscribed to the magazine PC/Computing <ducks> back in my larval stage,
and for a time they had Penn Jillette writing extremely hilarious back-page
funnies. One time, he actually suggested that people write scripts to
display text like this
ARMING . . .
ARMED
0:17:00 UNTIL DETONATION
for the security people to see when laptops were turned on at airports. For
all our supposed freedom of speech, an article like that could never be
published in a major magazine today. The article is here:
http://www.sincity.com/penn-n-teller/pcc/security.html
It passes the 10-year rule.
--
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3 Jun
3 Jun
5:52 a.m.
At 03:18 PM 6/1/02 -0700, Sellam wrote:
Whoever tells you the checks are "random" and not based on ethnicity or
appearance is just trying to be PC.
Some are random but many aren't. I stayed an extra day in KC and changed my
reservation with Delta two days beforehand but somehow they lost the record of it. Because
of that I arrived at the airport without a confirmed reservation and that's what
earned me the "full treatment". But what really pissed me off was having to go
through a complete check then walking 30 feet and having to go through the same thing
again before I could get on the plane. The second check is a complete waste of time (mine
AND security's) IMO.
I'm sure there is a bit of randomness
involved, but that's for the non-Arab, non-Muslim
flying contingent.
As much as you may not like to, you have to admit that 100% of the 9/11 hijackers were
Arabs and Muslim so people that fit that description are going to be closely checked for a
long time to come, PC or not. I know you don't like it, neither do I, but you can
blame the Arab Muslim extremists and not the airlines for that.
There's only been one time out of perhaps ten where
I didn't have to go
through the extra pre-boarding check before a flight. I'm convinced that
me and my peeps get red flagged and added to the "check thoroughly" pool
as soon as we step in the airport, and other "regular" folk are just
thrown into the pool at random to make it look like "we" aren't being
targeted.
Welcome to the New America.
Wouldn't Joe McCarthy love it!
Joe
6:06 a.m.
New subject: OT about airport security
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Joe wrote:
Is it not ironic that the FBI headquarters building in Washington, D.C. is
named after J. Edgar Hoover, one of the most un-American people ever to
be called an "American"?
Replies should go to private e-mail.
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I'm sure there is a bit of randomness
Ok, I didn't want to have to make a thread about this, but...
You may not like it, but 100% of the guys who blew up the Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City were White and Christian. So how come we aren't
insisting on checking the backgrounds of every white Christian that tries
to rent a U-Haul or buy fertilizer?
(Sounds like de ja vue, right? It is, I've said this before.)
involved, but that's for the non-Arab,
non-Muslim flying contingent.
As much as you may not like to, you have to admit that 100% of the
9/11 hijackers were Arabs and Muslim so people that fit that description
are going to be closely checked for a long time to come, PC or not. I
know you don't like it, neither do I, but you can blame the Arab Muslim
extremists and not the airlines for that. Welcome to the
New America.
Wouldn't Joe McCarthy love it! 
6:26 a.m.
New subject: OT about airport security
At 11:06 AM 6/3/2002 -0700, Sellam Ismail wrote:
You may not like it, but 100% of the guys who blew up
the Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City were White and Christian. So how come we aren't
insisting on checking the backgrounds of every white Christian that tries
to rent a U-Haul or buy fertilizer?
Actually, they were tracking ammonium nitrate fertilizer purchases
before Murrah, not to mention dynamite tagging and watching
bulk-purchases of the ingredients to make crystal meth.
So are the body cavity searches done by cute ex-flight attendants?
- John
3 Jun
3 Jun
12:21 p.m.
New subject: OT about airport security
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
Ok, I didn't want to have to make a thread about
this, but...
You may not like it, but 100% of the guys who blew up the Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City were White and Christian. So how come we
aren't insisting on checking the backgrounds of every white Christian
that tries to rent a U-Haul or buy fertilizer?
Sounds good to me. I don't see why that isn't a good idea, too.
As a small-plane pilot, I want to know (he says sarcastically) why
there was such a big deal about little-bitty planes for a month
after 9/11, but there *wasn't* a big deal about renting trucks after
either the WTC truck bomb or OKC. I mean I was *not* allowed to
hop in a plane and exercise my authority to fly an airplane for *weeks*,
but right after either truck bomb, any yahoo with a driver's license
could still rent a truck. Not even restricted for one day.
If all pilots are suspect, why aren't all truck renters?
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4 Jun
4 Jun
3:12 a.m.
New subject: OT about airport security
At 05:21 PM 6/3/02 -0700, you wrote:
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
It really makes you wonder, especially considering how little damage a small plane is
capable of. Look at the guy that crashed his into the White House a couple of years ago
with no effect. Same thing with the one that recently crashed into the buildings in Tampa
and Italy. They did very little damage.
Joe
Ok, I didn't want to have to make a thread
about this, but...
You may not like it, but 100% of the guys who blew up the Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City were White and Christian. So how come we
aren't insisting on checking the backgrounds of every white Christian
that tries to rent a U-Haul or buy fertilizer?
Sounds good to me. I don't see why that isn't a good idea, too.
As a small-plane pilot, I want to know (he says sarcastically) why
there was such a big deal about little-bitty planes for a month
after 9/11, but there *wasn't* a big deal about renting trucks after
either the WTC truck bomb or OKC. I mean I was *not* allowed to
hop in a plane and exercise my authority to fly an airplane for *weeks*,
but right after either truck bomb, any yahoo with a driver's license
could still rent a truck. Not even restricted for one day.
If all pilots are suspect, why aren't all truck renters? 
4:49 p.m.
New subject: OT about airport security
Joe wrote:
It really makes you wonder, especially considering
how little damage a small plane is capable of. Look at the guy that crashed his into the
White House a couple of years ago with no effect. Same thing with the one that recently
crashed into the buildings in Tampa and Italy. They did very little damage.
Joe
Loaded with the right explosives or chemical/biological agents make them
much more of a threat. Also there a many fewer small airplanes to
control than trucks. Plus trucks have a much bigger impact on the
economy and our lives than small airplanes.
Requarding the White House..... it's a fortress. It may look old.
original, etc, but it's been rebuilt from the inside out to be a
fortress. I'm not saying it is indestructible, but it is a lot less
vulnerable than a normal wooden structure, like what most of us live in.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
3:09 a.m.
New subject: OT about airport security
At 11:06 AM 6/3/02 -0700, you wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, Joe wrote:
Have you tried to buy Ammonium Nitrate lately? I GUANANTEE that anyone that does is
going to get a very thorough background investigation. I used to buy the stuff for
$.05/pound but now my nursery supply company won't even order it. The same with
sulfur.
Speaking of OK City and McViegh, the US Army solders are now being CLOSELY scrutinized
and many of their rights are being violated (a lot more than the Arab Americans).
That's not fair to them but it's being done none the less.
I'm sure there is a bit of randomness
Ok, I didn't want to have to make a thread about this, but...
You may not like it, but 100% of the guys who blew up the Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City were White and Christian. So how come we aren't
insisting on checking the backgrounds of every white Christian that tries
to rent a U-Haul or buy fertilizer? involved, but that's for the non-Arab,
non-Muslim flying contingent.
As much as you may not like to, you have to admit that 100% of the
9/11 hijackers were Arabs and Muslim so people that fit that description
are going to be closely checked for a long time to come, PC or not. I
know you don't like it, neither do I, but you can blame the Arab Muslim
extremists and not the airlines for that.
(Sounds like de ja vue, right? It is, I've said this before.)
Is it not ironic that the FBI headquarters building in Washington, D.C. is
named after J. Edgar Hoover, one of the most un-American people ever to
be called an "American"?
I agree 100% on that one!
Joe
Welcome to
the New America.
Wouldn't Joe McCarthy love it!
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