13 Feb
2012
13 Feb
'12
9:17 a.m.
NASA unplugs last mainframe
IBM mainframes no longer a NASA workhorse
IBM mainframe available for a collector ?
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nasa-unplugs-last-mainframe
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5:24 a.m.
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, St?phane Tsacas wrote:
NASA unplugs last mainframe
IBM mainframes no longer a NASA workhorse
IBM mainframe available for a collector ?
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nasa-unplugs-last-mainframe
They probably have another one somewhere that no one knows about, used
for decoding spacecraft data from the 1970s....
;)
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1:48 p.m.
On 02/19/2012 05:24 AM, Kris Kirby wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, St?phane Tsacas wrote:
Quite possibly. But NASA is a BIG organization; I have a very hard
time believing that there are NO "mainframes" running there now. First
of all, define "mainframe"...If you just mean "IBM mainframes", NASA
had
a whole lot of P390 systems running for development, and later lots of
installations of FLEX-ES. I don't know that anyone can make a
definitive statement that "there are no longer any mainframes running at
NASA".
It sure did make for a nice article, though. (which was probably the
point)
-Dave
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NASA unplugs last mainframe
IBM mainframes no longer a NASA workhorse
IBM mainframe available for a collector ?
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nasa-unplugs-last-mainframe
They probably have another one somewhere that no one knows about, used
for decoding spacecraft data from the 1970s....
;)
1:48 p.m.
On 02/13/2012 09:17 AM, St?phane Tsacas wrote:
NASA unplugs last mainframe
IBM mainframes no longer a NASA workhorse
IBM mainframe available for a collector ?
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nasa-unplugs-last-mainframe
The machine in question is a z9, only a few years old. Hardly
"collectible", and the whole world is running them. (and the current
model, the z10) I'm sure it went for bucks to (or via) a reseller, if
it was purchased rather than leased.
-Dave
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2:34 p.m.
On 19 Feb 2012, at 18:48, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/13/2012 09:17 AM, St?phane Tsacas wrote:
While your point is valid, if you had the facilities to keep and run 'NASA's last
mainframe' it'd be a pretty cool collector's piece down the line, especially
if you could get some kind of paperwork to prove it's heritage. I am such a
sentimental old romantic (at 31) sometimes ;)
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NASA unplugs last mainframe
IBM mainframes no longer a NASA workhorse
IBM mainframe available for a collector ?
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nasa-unplugs-last-mainframe
The machine in question is a z9, only a few years old. Hardly "collectible",
and the whole world is running them. (and the current model, the z10) I'm sure it
went for bucks to (or via) a reseller, if it was purchased rather than leased.
2:42 p.m.
On 02/19/2012 02:34 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
Hmm, yes, I agree. (and I do have such facilities, equipped with a
similar machine, but not of such interesting heritage) I still have
very strong doubts about the whole "last mainframe" thing, though.
The machine in
question is a z9, only a few years old. Hardly
"collectible", and the whole world is running them. (and the current
model, the z10) I'm sure it went for bucks to (or via) a reseller, if
it was purchased rather than leased.
While your point is valid, if you had the facilities to keep and run
'NASA's last mainframe' it'd be a pretty cool collector's piece down
the line, especially if you could get some kind of paperwork to
prove it's heritage. I am such a sentimental old romantic (at 31) sometimes
;)
A "young fart", perhaps? ;)
-Dave
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2:49 p.m.
New subject: I unplugged my ANS was Re: NASA unplugs last mainframe
Well, on a related note, I unplugged my Apple Network Server 500 from the
switch today and transferred its services to the POWER6. It was getting flaky
and was definitely slow, but it's a little sad. :'(
(I'm not getting rid of it though. It'll be the backup if the POWER6 has a
hiccup, and after I get a body double for it I will make stockholm into a
toybox and showpiece as Apple's last "real" server.)
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3:21 p.m.
While your point is valid, if you had the facilities
to keep and run 'NASA's last mainframe' it'd be a pretty cool
collector's piece down the line, especially if you could get some kind of paperwork to
prove it's heritage. I am such a sentimental old romantic (at 31) sometimes ;)
I do not think this machine really is all that historic - if any.
NASA's computation is far better suited to run on other architectures,
and has been for a very long time. I think this z9 probably was
hanging on simply because someone could not let go.
Still, neat to have. Watch the surplus lists (and be prepared to be outbid!).
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4:42 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William Donzelli
Sent: 19 February 2012 20:22
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Subject: Re: NASA unplugs last mainframe
I would says its not even a "Mainframe" in the classical sense of the word,
in the same way that a 16-way Intel or Sparc box running Herculesm, or even
a P370 or P390 isn't a "Mainframe" either. What it realy is I don'y
know.
While your point is valid, if you had the
facilities to
keep and run 'NASA's last mainframe' it'd be a
pretty cool
collector's piece down the line, especially if you could get
some kind of paperwork to prove it's heritage. I am such a
sentimental old romantic (at 31) sometimes ;)
I do not think this machine really is all that historic - if any.
NASA's computation is far better suited to run on other architectures,
and has been for a very long time. I think this z9 probably was
hanging on simply because someone could not let go.
Still, neat to have. Watch the surplus lists (and be
prepared
to be outbid!).
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7:12 p.m.
On Feb 19, 2012, at 4:42 PM, "Dave" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Urrr? You wouldn't consider a z9 to be a mainframe?
-Dave
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-----Original
Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William Donzelli
Sent: 19 February 2012 20:22
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: NASA unplugs last mainframe
I would says its not even a "Mainframe" in the classical sense of the word,
in the same way that a 16-way Intel or Sparc box running Herculesm, or even
a P370 or P390 isn't a "Mainframe" either. What it realy is I don'y
know. While your point is valid, if you had the
facilities to
keep and run 'NASA's last mainframe' it'd be a
pretty cool
collector's piece down the line, especially if you could get
some kind of paperwork to prove it's heritage. I am such a
sentimental old romantic (at 31) sometimes ;)
I do not think this machine really is all that historic - if any.
NASA's computation is far better suited to run on other architectures,
and has been for a very long time. I think this z9 probably was
hanging on simply because someone could not let go.
>
8:05 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: 20 February 2012 00:13
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: NASA unplugs last mainframe
On Feb 19, 2012, at 4:42 PM, "Dave" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
sense of the
word,
Well its basically a box of playstation chips, wouldn't be on my list....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
William Donzelli
> Sent: 19 February 2012 20:22
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: NASA unplugs last mainframe
>
>
>> While your point is valid, if you had the facilities to
> keep and run 'NASA's last mainframe' it'd be a pretty cool
> collector's piece down the line, especially if you could get
> some kind of paperwork to prove it's heritage. I am such a
> sentimental old romantic (at 31) sometimes ;)
>
> I do not think this machine really is all that historic - if any.
> NASA's computation is far better suited to run on other
architectures,
and has
been for a very long time. I think this z9 probably was
hanging on simply because someone could not let go.
I would says its not even a "Mainframe" in the classical in the same way that a 16-way Intel or Sparc box
running
Herculesm, or even
a P370 or P390 isn't a "Mainframe"
either. What it realy is
I don'y know.
Urrr? You wouldn't consider a z9 to be a mainframe?
-Dave
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>
8:39 p.m.
Dave wrote:
Well its basically a box of playstation chips,
wouldn't be on my list....
Where do you get that? Are you confusing the z9 with
the IBM Roadrunner?
The z9 is full of z9 microprocessors, which natively execute the
z/Architecture 1 instruction set, which is an enhanced version of
ESA/390, which was an enhanced version of ESA/370, which was an enhanced
version of System/370 XA, which was an enhanced version of System/370,
which was an enhanced version of System/360.
In other words, the z9 microprocessor can natively execute System/360
and System/370 code.
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