17 Jan
2013
17 Jan
'13
12:51 a.m.
Again, thanks to to eagle eyes of some faithful watchers out there, I've
been able to identify another eBay seller of my stolen archives:
eBay seller ID "appliancealley"
http://www.ebay.com/sch/appliancealley/m.html
For those who have been suggesting professional legal counsel, you should
be happy to know that I am speaking with such tomorrow. Thank you for
your concerns. I'll let you know what they're able to offer to me.
--
Sellam Ismail VintageTech
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintagetech.com
Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always simple.
25 Jan
25 Jan
8:10 p.m.
What/who are these additional accounts trying to hide the stuff? So far I
see:
appliancealley (now known as "tvrsales2" which I find shady for any seller
to create more than one ebay account)
martinezana
kaekae_b2011
Any others yet? You're keeping tabs on all the auctions right? Probably
best to print them all out or save them to a pdf.
- John
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com>wrote:
Again, thanks to to eagle eyes of some faithful watchers out there, I've
been able to identify another eBay seller of my stolen archives:
eBay seller ID "appliancealley"
http://www.ebay.com/sch/appliancealley/m.html
For those who have been suggesting professional legal counsel, you should
be happy to know that I am speaking with such tomorrow. Thank you for
your concerns. I'll let you know what they're able to offer to me.
--
Sellam Ismail
VintageTech
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintagetech.com
Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always
simple.
8:35 p.m.
On 01/25/2013 05:10 PM, Sam O'nella wrote:
What/who are these additional accounts trying to hide
the stuff? So far I
see:
appliancealley (now known as "tvrsales2" which I find shady for any seller
to create more than one ebay account)
martinezana
kaekae_b2011
Any others yet? You're keeping tabs on all the auctions right? Probably
best to print them all out or save them to a pdf.
- John
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com>wrote:
> Again, thanks to to eagle eyes of some faithful watchers out there, I've
> been able to identify another eBay seller of my stolen archives:
>
> eBay seller ID "appliancealley"
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/appliancealley/m.html
>
> For those who have been suggesting professional legal counsel, you should
> be happy to know that I am speaking with such tomorrow. Thank you for
> your concerns. I'll let you know what they're able to offer to me.
>
> --
>
> Sellam Ismail
> VintageTech
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> International Man of Intrigue and Danger
> http://www.vintagetech.com
>
> Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always
> simple.
>
My eBay 'watch list' is getting full of Sellam's stuff :-( Things
I would
love to have but won't touch under the current circumstances are
flying by every day.
And I know many of the items would (should) fetch much more than
they seem to be getting... It's very sad this is happening... I've seen
several important items I *know* must be one-of's that should be
conserved.
You have my sincerest sympathy.
-Gary
26 Jan
26 Jan
4:42 a.m.
On 26/01/2013 01:35, Gary Oliver wrote:
On 01/25/2013 05:10 PM, Sam O'nella wrote:
Tricky one this, not sure of legal position in USA, but if Sellam is
only getting monetary value back it might be better for him if you bid
and they go for a higher price.
What/who are these additional accounts trying to
hide the stuff? So
far I
see:
appliancealley (now known as "tvrsales2" which I find shady for any
seller
to create more than one ebay account)
martinezana
kaekae_b2011
Any others yet? You're keeping tabs on all the auctions right? Probably
best to print them all out or save them to a pdf.
- John
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Sellam Ismail
<sellam at vintagetech.com>wrote:
> Again, thanks to to eagle eyes of some faithful watchers out there,
> I've
> been able to identify another eBay seller of my stolen archives:
> eBay seller ID "appliancealley"
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/appliancealley/m.html
> For those who have been suggesting
professional legal counsel, you
> should
> be happy to know that I am speaking with such tomorrow. Thank you for
> your concerns. I'll let you know what they're able to offer to me.
> --
> Sellam Ismail
> VintageTech
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> International Man of Intrigue and Danger
> http://www.vintagetech.com
> Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also
reap...The truth is always
> simple.
>
My eBay 'watch list' is getting full of Sellam's stuff :-( Things
I
would
love to have but won't touch under the current circumstances are
flying by every day.
And I know many of the items would (should) fetch much more than
they seem to be getting... It's very sad this is happening... I've seen
several important items I *know* must be one-of's that should be
conserved.
You have my sincerest sympathy.
-Gary 
25 Jan
25 Jan
9:39 p.m.
On 01/25/2013 05:10 PM, Sam O'nella wrote:
What/who are these additional accounts trying to hide
the stuff? So far I
see:
appliancealley (now known as "tvrsales2" which I find shady for any seller
to create more than one ebay account)
martinezana
kaekae_b2011
Any others yet? You're keeping tabs on all the auctions right? Probably
best to print them all out or save them to a pdf.
- John
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com>wrote:
> Again, thanks to to eagle eyes of some faithful watchers out there, I've
> been able to identify another eBay seller of my stolen archives:
>
> eBay seller ID "appliancealley"
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/appliancealley/m.html
>
> For those who have been suggesting professional legal counsel, you should
> be happy to know that I am speaking with such tomorrow. Thank you for
> your concerns. I'll let you know what they're able to offer to me.
>
> --
>
> Sellam Ismail
> VintageTech
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> International Man of Intrigue and Danger
> http://www.vintagetech.com
>
> Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always
> simple.
>
My eBay 'watch list' is getting full of Sellam's stuff :-( Things
I
would love to have but won't touch under the current circumstances
are flying by every day.
And I know many of the items would (should) fetch much more than
they seem to be getting... It's very sad this is happening... I've
seen several important items I *know* must be one-of's that should
be conserved.
You have my sincerest sympathy.
-Gary
11:33 p.m.
On 1/25/2013 9:39 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
My eBay 'watch list' is getting full of
Sellam's stuff :-( Things I
would love to have but won't touch under the current circumstances
are flying by every day.
And I know many of the items would (should) fetch much more than
they seem to be getting... It's very sad this is happening... I've
seen several important items I *know* must be one-of's that should
be conserved.
Gary,
I'm not really directing this at you, but maybe the group in general.....
Wouldn't someone in the community purchasing these items at least keep
them in trusted hands? I mean, what's really the alternative?
Also, I apologize for the double negative but doesn't the fact that
some/most/all of the community isn't bidding on the stuff artificially
deflating the price? I mean, isn't it selling for less because other
normally-interested bidders aren't bidding?
And sure, I understand that the idea might be to reduce the total take
of the so-called-evil-reseller (not judging here, really) but then why
be unhappy when you're successful?
So then what happens? Someone who doesn't really care much about the
items win them at a lower price? And then resell the item later at a
profit. And instead of US profiting, we let someone else do it because
it's blood money.
But for how many generations is this item poisoned for? First resale is
clearly bad(I guess). How about the second? The third? How do we even
know if it's part of the evil collection?
And while we are talking about this, why not talk about people buying
foreclosed homes? Surely that is profiting off of other people's
misfortune/loss? Repo'd cars? Lost items at airport auctions? Items at
Pawn shops?
This is unfortunate indeed. I just hope that not too many of these items
end up leaving the community as a result of our own actions.
Keith
26 Jan
26 Jan
6:01 a.m.
Sellam is never going to get this collection restored. 'Possession is 9/10th' of
the law is a sad reality. Even under a theft by receiving scenario, the products are
being spread out to 100 different buyers in 100 different jurisdictions. He needed an
injunction and he needed it two weeks ago.
Even if he successfully makes a case in court that his land lord didn't give him
sufficient notice of foreclosure under California and local law, he sill has to file suite
against tvrsales for recovery; who btw has done nothing wrong - morally or legally. His
grievance is against his former land lord.
It's sad, but Keith does make good points. We can all oogle over what we think the
collection is worth to a prime buyer or to Sellam. The reality is courts deal in current
market value. Even winning against his land lord, the sale prices being offered up the
past few weeks may form a basis for a financial judgement against his land lord or
tvrsales since the jurisdictional issues are so big with buyers. A California circuit
court cannot enforce a warrant on a buyer in Georgia. Even if issued, the Georgia
jurisdiction will say, "we need to go recover a $40 what?"
Not bidding only helps if the auction doesn't sell. Otherwise, it is only helping the
people who are winning the items at lower prices.
-Alan
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 25, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Keith Monahan <keithvz at verizon.net> wrote:
On 1/25/2013 9:39 PM, Gary Oliver wrote:
My eBay 'watch list' is getting full of
Sellam's stuff :-( Things I
would love to have but won't touch under the current circumstances
are flying by every day.
And I know many of the items would (should) fetch much more than
they seem to be getting... It's very sad this is happening... I've
seen several important items I *know* must be one-of's that should
be conserved.
Gary,
I'm not really directing this at you, but maybe the group in general.....
Wouldn't someone in the community purchasing these items at least keep them in
trusted hands? I mean, what's really the alternative?
Also, I apologize for the double negative but doesn't the fact that some/most/all of
the community isn't bidding on the stuff artificially deflating the price? I mean,
isn't it selling for less because other normally-interested bidders aren't
bidding?
And sure, I understand that the idea might be to reduce the total take of the
so-called-evil-reseller (not judging here, really) but then why be unhappy when you're
successful?
So then what happens? Someone who doesn't really care much about the items win them
at a lower price? And then resell the item later at a profit. And instead of US profiting,
we let someone else do it because it's blood money.
But for how many generations is this item poisoned for? First resale is clearly bad(I
guess). How about the second? The third? How do we even know if it's part of the evil
collection?
And while we are talking about this, why not talk about people buying foreclosed homes?
Surely that is profiting off of other people's misfortune/loss? Repo'd cars? Lost
items at airport auctions? Items at Pawn shops?
This is unfortunate indeed. I just hope that not too many of these items end up leaving
the community as a result of our own actions.
Keith
9:34 a.m.
I've tried to make the point that the community ought to be at least
trying to buy a few of the important pieces in order to give them back
to Sellam, but he (and others) have dissmissed that as rewarding the
bad behavior of others so I haven't pushed it. It's sad to see this
happen, but frankly a boycott only works if EVERYONE is doing it and
clearly the inhabitants of cctalk don't count as everybody in this
scenario.
I guess the only positive thing is that the stuff DOES seem to be
selling, so at least the stuff isn't going to be scrapped...
Mike
25 Jan
25 Jan
10:04 p.m.
what happens if people outside the us buys ur stuff?
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com>wrote:
Again, thanks to to eagle eyes of some faithful watchers out there, I've
been able to identify another eBay seller of my stolen archives:
eBay seller ID "appliancealley"
http://www.ebay.com/sch/appliancealley/m.html
For those who have been suggesting professional legal counsel, you should
be happy to know that I am speaking with such tomorrow. Thank you for
your concerns. I'll let you know what they're able to offer to me.
--
Sellam Ismail
VintageTech
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintagetech.com
Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always
simple.
10:32 p.m.
On 1/25/2013 7:04 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
what happens if people outside the us buys ur stuff?
Same thing that happens here. Pretty much nothing but, bad karma. Those
things sold on ebay are not going to be recovered. He can only keep
track of the sale prices and try and get it back from tvrsales. He's
also going to need to prove the items were his. So, much stuff I would
wonder if he had all the serial numbers even recorded. He's going to
have to prove every item was his. It may be hard in a collection that
size. I maybe have 15 computers in my collection and I don't have a
single serial number recorded or way to prove they were mine really. I
suspect Sellam may just be out of luck on this. It's sad tale but, may
cautionary for other big collectors.
On the flip side of this whole nightmare they aren't going to scrappers
but, people that obviously value them highly. In a way it may be a
better fate then living under 100 other computers on a pallet in
Stockton. Still it sucks for Sellam.
26 Jan
26 Jan
4:13 a.m.
On 1/25/2013 7:04 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
what happens if people outside the us buys ur stuff?
I suspect it is all gone either way. but if you are asking whether you
should buy it, I hope you won't, unless you are doing it to hold till he
can retrieve it. would have done so, but am steering well clear of the
mess, he will probably have to rope in people who have good intentions
along with some who don't have and will be forced to if he wants to get
stuff back from those sold to by the bad guys and that isn't something I
can afford right now.
Hope for the best, but can't help much with my current circumstances.
US law probably won't reach outside the borders is the short answer for
any reasonable amount of money if at all.
4229
days inactive
4238
days old
10 comments
11 participants
participants (11)
-
alan＠alanlee.org -
barythrin＠gmail.com -
dave.g4ugm＠gmail.com -
go＠aerodesic.com -
go＠ao-cs.com -
jwsmail＠jwsss.com -
keithvz＠verizon.net -
madcrow.maxwell＠gmail.com -
mc68010＠gmail.com -
sellam＠vintagetech.com -
tdk.knight＠gmail.com