looking at the command I've had SYSTEM, "MANAGER" before. :) You can boot them conversationally, of course, even if you don't have the password, and gain privilege. I've done this on a good three or four machines, and there are a couple different ways to manage it. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '