please see embedded remarks below. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: &lt;SUPRDAVE(a)aol.comTo: &lt;classiccmp(a)classiccmp.orgSent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Apple IIc (not IIC+) details "Richard Erlacher" &lt;richard(a)idcomm.com&gt; writes: apples, <snip> > simply, to bringing out the CPU's signals, it would be useful to have some > > information. > > > Any suggestions? > > > Dick > > sounds like what you really want is a laser128. it's 99% apple compatible (the 1% was the apple version of aol which wouldnt connect right) and it also has an i/o connector on the left side which is really just a regular old slot mapped to slot5 IIRC. I ran a disk ][ controller off there for a total of 3 drives. any other card *should* work in the slot also. Well, NO! That's not what I want. The point is to do something useful with THIS Apple IIc. Though I've often put down the post-][+ products from Apple, the IIc seems to have some potential. I've never seen any useful work (control, telemetry monitoring, etc, ) done with a late-generation apple product except when it's done with an external intelligence without which it could easily be done, leaving the Apple product out completely. I suppose it's happened, but I've never seen it done. That's probably in part because the Apple folks keep too many secrets, and in part because if one needed to do useful work, one would use a PC, which has screws and an easily removable cover. The thing that's interesting, as I've only lately discovered, about the IIc is that it's complete and has a place where you can snag power for use outside, though it's intended for a drive of some sort. It does have bipolar 12 volts and positive 5, which is adequate for most anything. That would demand only that one build a connector/cable assembly or two and a box to house the application hardware.