29 Mar
2012
29 Mar
'12
3:43 p.m.
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
Regards,
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29 Mar
29 Mar
4:24 p.m.
On 30 Mar 2012 at 0:43, Holm Tiffe wrote:
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
Is this just a manifestation of "any electromechanical widget will
make a somewhat musical noise if you pulse it the right way?". In
other words, would relays, motors, solenoids or doorbells be just as
adequate to the task?
--Chuck
5:10 p.m.
New subject: You should have seen this..
I believe so yes, the movement is just from the voltage. Similar to the hard drive
speaker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBG0s9Qtjkk wiring.
Here's someone explaining what software they're using and a how-to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6tuMn5sPyM
--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
Is this just a manifestation of "any electromechanical
widget will
make a somewhat musical noise if you pulse it the right
way?".? In
other words, would relays, motors, solenoids or doorbells be
just as
adequate to the task?
--Chuck
8:25 p.m.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 30 Mar 2012 at 0:43, Holm Tiffe wrote:
The singing disk drive is a timeless concept.
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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino
board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
Is this just a manifestation of "any electromechanical widget will
make a somewhat musical noise if you pulse it the right way?". In
other words, would relays, motors, solenoids or doorbells be just as
adequate to the task? 
8:44 p.m.
Is this just a
manifestation of "any electromechanical widget will
make a somewhat musical noise if you pulse it the right way?". In
other words, would relays, motors, solenoids or doorbells be just as
adequate to the task?
9:59 p.m.
On 29 Mar 2012 at 20:25, David Griffith wrote:
The singing disk drive is a timeless concept.
Tell me about the Maxtor XT1140 drive! But that's usually a sign of
its imminent demise...
I think a higher form of the art is the singing vacuum-column tape
drive or high-speed train printer. Takes quite a bit of
experimentation to get that quite right.
--Chuck
10:56 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 08:25:40PM -0700, David Griffith wrote:
The singing disk drive is a timeless concept.
OT question: What was the first "singing" computer peripheral ?
My guess is the IBM 1403 printer from 1959:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/1403.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1401#Art_inspired_by_the_IBM_1401
The Swedes played music with the Datasaab D21/D22 cpu in 1967.
Regards,
Pontus.
11:27 p.m.
Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
OT question: What was the first "singing"
computer peripheral ?
I suppose you mean a peripheral that wasn't originally intended for
sound production? The first public demonstrations of computers playing
music were in 1951, but the peripherals used were more or less intended
to produce sound.
30 Mar
30 Mar
12:40 a.m.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Eric Smith wrote:
Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
Where would something like Leroy Anderson's "The Typewriter" (1950) fit in
to this?
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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
OT question: What was the first
"singing" computer peripheral ?
I suppose you mean a peripheral that wasn't originally intended for sound
production? The first public demonstrations of computers playing music were
in 1951, but the peripherals used were more or less intended to produce
sound.
1:15 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:40:43AM -0700, David Griffith wrote:
>I suppose you mean a peripheral that wasn't
originally intended
>for sound production?
Yes,
Where would something like Leroy Anderson's
"The Typewriter" (1950)
fit in to this?
Not really, while it is a lovely piece, it is not played on a computer
peripheral. And I thought it would be understood that the player should
be the computer.
Regards,
Pontus
1:46 p.m.
> Where would something like Leroy Anderson's
"The Typewriter" (1950)
> fit in to this?
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
Not really, while it is a lovely piece, it is not
played on a computer
peripheral. And I thought it would be understood that the player should
be the computer.
It shows a prior "association" in terms of thinking about non-musical
machines as being musical.
8:44 a.m.
On 29 Mar 2012 at 23:27, Eric Smith wrote:
Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
CDC was pretty tight with the military, particularly the Navy (it was
said that if Seymour conceived a new machine, the Navy would have its
order in before the blueprint was dry). The brass loved dog-and-pony
shows, in particular, being greeted with "Anchors Aweigh". I think
the whole business started with the 1604, but by the time the 3000
series was out, there were quite a few "computer orchestra" hits out,
including "The Stars and Stripes Forever" and "The Eyes of Texas",
with full percussion. It was impressive to see.
Here's one such recounting, describing how to make a tape drive sing
(not something that you can do with a streamer, however):
http://www.computer-history.info/Page1.dir/pages/Tymes.html
--Chuck
OT question: What was the first
"singing" computer peripheral ?
I suppose you mean a peripheral that wasn't originally intended for
sound production? The first public demonstrations of computers
playing music were in 1951, but the peripherals used were more or less
intended to produce sound.
1:41 p.m.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2012, Eric Smith wrote:
I suppose you mean a peripheral that wasn't
originally intended for
sound production? The first public demonstrations of computers playing
music were in 1951, but the peripherals used were more or less intended
to produce sound.
. . . and prior to that, there was unauthorized "screwing around"
1:38 p.m.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
OT question: What was the first "singing"
computer peripheral ?
My guess is the IBM 1403 printer from 1959:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/1403.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1401#Art_inspired_by_the_IBM_1401
The Swedes played music with the Datasaab D21/D22 cpu in 1967.
Such activities were unauthorized, and frowned on by "management".
Because of that, they were extraordinarily poorly documented.
I was shocked to find NO hits in Google for "Friden Waltz"!
(Use quotation markse to reduce the false hits of "Friden and I waltzed
all night", etc.)
and barely any for the Marchant March.
Alas, management is making our culture extinct.
When they can block memories of such things, we are doomed.
2:30 p.m.
At 12:56 AM 3/30/2012, you wrote:
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 08:25:40PM -0700, David
Griffith wrote:
Well, this isn't that old, but it's early enough
for me. We had a program for the TSS/8 system at
UWM that would play Beatles songs to an AM radio
by pulsing the blinkenlights on the front panel.
As I recall, I ran it under TSS/8 despite a
warning that the multiuser interupts would mess
it up, which it did, but not horribly so. I think
it was meant for OS/8 or something.
This was in the 70's.
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The singing disk drive is a timeless concept.
OT question: What was the first "singing" computer peripheral ?
My guess is the IBM 1403 printer from 1959:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/1403.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1401#Art_inspired_by_the_IBM_1401
The Swedes played music with the Datasaab D21/D22 cpu in 1967. 
2:56 p.m.
On 03/30/2012 05:30 PM, Tom wrote:
Well, this isn't that old, but it's early
enough for me. We had a
program for the TSS/8 system at UWM that would play Beatles songs to an
AM radio by pulsing the blinkenlights on the front panel.
Actually the relevant EMI came from the core memory's X/Y drivers, not
the front panel, didn't it?
-Dave
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8:05 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 30 Mar 2012 at 0:43, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Essentially, but done with cheap, available hardware and nothing to
solder that's more complicated than a power cable.
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino
board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
Is this just a manifestation of "any electromechanical widget will
make a somewhat musical noise if you pulse it the right way?". ?In other words, would relays, motors, solenoids or
doorbells be just as
adequate to the task?
I don't know that you could get the same frequency range from
solenoids due to inertia (and perhaps the time it takes to create and
collapse such a large magnetic field). You certainly could take
random stepper motors and stepper drivers and reproduce the effect.
I suppose one could switch relays fast enough for some of the lower
notes, but I have to wonder how well relays would work at 500Hz and
above.
-ethan
8:43 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
People have made line printers play music since time immemorial,
and one of the early LEO tests was to get the delay lines to
play music.
JGH
Is this just a
manifestation of "any electromechanical widget will
make a somewhat musical noise if you pulse it the right way?".
Essentially, but done with cheap, available hardware and nothing to
solder that's more complicated than a power cable. 
12:38 p.m.
I suppose one could switch relays fast enough for some
of the lower
notes, but I have to wonder how well relays would work at 500Hz and
above.
As many of us know, there are high-speed relays, but they tend to have
low-mass moving parts (for obvious reasons) and thus don't make a lound
sound. After all, sound from a relay is essentially wasted energy, it's
not unsful for the normal application of the relay.
Is there a good reason not to use a loudpseaker to make sounds?
-tony
29 Mar
29 Mar
11:07 p.m.
Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
Also nice....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAWF-qhh4pQ&feature=related
(wait a bit until it realy starts)
11:43 p.m.
On 03/29/2012 06:43 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
Wow. That is really, really well done!
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
30 Mar
30 Mar
6:24 a.m.
On 3/30/2012 2:43 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 03/29/2012 06:43 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Pretty cool.
Did you see the full list of the songs he's, uhhh, covered?
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL44C2614808EB920E
Pretty impressive.
Keith
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino
board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
Wow. That is really, really well done!
-Dave
7:59 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
So far as I know this is MIDI ofer an arduino board:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_XaJ7gE4Q
After seeing this make the rounds a few times, I grabbed the software
the other day and got it going with one drive. It's a Java MIDI
parser that sends commands down a (USB-implemented) serial port to an
embedded app on the Arduino to send appropriately timed step and
direction signals to up to 8 (on an Arduino Uno) devices. 3.5" floppy
drives are unloved enough and available in such quantities that it's a
cheap way to create an array of mechanical sounders. There are plenty
of options for building alternate sounders but unless you happen to
have a pile of stepper drivers on hand, the costs could mount up
quickly.
The software is here: https://github.com/SammyIAm/Moppy
It took me a bit of fiddling to get the Java app to compile on an
Ubuntu box. I didn't want to mess with NetBeans; I just wanted a .jar
file. I had to find a framework jar and, of course, there was some
fiddling with librxtxSerial.so and RXTXcomm.jar, but I did get it
working. It reminded me why I'm very very happy not to be making a
living working with Java.
I'm considering scaling up to the full 8 drives. Right now I'm
scavenging locally for connectors and drives and such. Turns out of
all the junk I have lying around, a stack of generic floppy drives is
_not_ part of it (I do have spare non-mainstream drives like Teac
FD55GFRs and Amiga "720K" drives and oddball Sony drives for the Tandy
1000, etc, but not a pile of FD235HDs, for example).
I think there's also some MIDI editing going on since most of the MIDI
files assume a certain acoustic response from the synthesizer end.
Certainly some files play "cleaner" than others.
-ethan
11:24 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 16:59, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
_not_ part of it (I do have spare non-mainstream
drives like Teac
FD55GFRs and Amiga "720K" drives and oddball Sony drives for the Tandy
1000, etc, but not a pile of FD235HDs, for example).
I probably don't need to say this, but please do not abuse the Amiga
floppy drives too much - they are still a sought after commodity in
the Amiga community. Not all PC floppy dives can easily be modified to
work in Amigas, and there is of course the positioning of the eject
button that is important for those that want to keep their A500
looking right.
Plus they fit into 1581's without modification.
Joe.
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11:48 a.m.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Joachim Thiemann
<joachim.thiemann at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 16:59, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
You don't need to say it to me. I have no intentions of turning
Commodore drives into musical instruments. I still have Amigas to
keep running. My point was only that the drives I do have lying
around are exactly *not* generic PC drives.
_not_ part of it (I do have spare non-mainstream
drives like Teac
FD55GFRs and Amiga "720K" drives and oddball Sony drives for the Tandy
1000, etc, but not a pile of FD235HDs, for example).
I probably don't need to say this, but please do not abuse the Amiga
floppy drives too much - they are still a sought after commodity in
the Amiga community. Not all PC floppy dives can easily be modified to
work in Amigas, and there is of course the positioning of the eject
button that is important for those that want to keep their A500
looking right.
Yep.
Plus they fit into 1581's without modification.
I do have a couple of 1581s, including one that seems to have a dead
drive (I got them a long time ago from a Commodore dealer who was
going out of business, so it was probably a customer repair/return
unit).
-ethan
4:22 p.m.
On 03/30/2012 01:24 PM, Joachim Thiemann wrote:
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 16:59, Ethan
Dicks<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
Ditto with 5.25" and 8" drives, to be honest... at least, they seem utterly
impossible to get around here.
3.5" HD are probably fair game at the moment, but even that won't last much
longer I expect :-(
cheers
Jules
_not_ part of it (I do have spare non-mainstream
drives like Teac
FD55GFRs and Amiga "720K" drives and oddball Sony drives for the Tandy
1000, etc, but not a pile of FD235HDs, for example).
I probably don't need to say this, but please do not abuse the Amiga
floppy drives too much - they are still a sought after commodity in
the Amiga community.
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