3 Oct
2015
3 Oct
'15
2:07 p.m.
From: Johnny Billquist
Which is a big reason I dislike eBay, people who chop
computers and and
sell them in bits, and people who go on lists and ask "how much is this
worth?", since in many cases it's because they're trying to figure out
how much money they can make
...
It's all just money...
Well, I agree, sometimes the machine is disassmbled in a way that harms the
components, or vital components are thrown away/re-cycled because 'they don't
seem like they are useful/valuable' (case in point, cables - people save the
boards, and throw away the cables - as a result of which, for many boards, we
have more boards than we need, and no cables).
On the other hand, if this stuff _wasn't_ worth money, most people would just
re-cycle it, or pitch it. That would be better?
Noel
3 Oct
3 Oct
3:19 p.m.
Even the people who do save hardware for collectors tend to dump any
original software they have, plus many hardware collectors don't bother with
legit software.
-----Original Message-----
From: Noel Chiappa
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 5:07 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: This is sad...
It's all just money...
Well, I agree, sometimes the machine is disassmbled in a way that harms the
components, or vital components are thrown away/re-cycled because 'they
don't
seem like they are useful/valuable' (case in point, cables - people save the
boards, and throw away the cables - as a result of which, for many boards,
we
have more boards than we need, and no cables).
On the other hand, if this stuff _wasn't_ worth money, most people would
just
re-cycle it, or pitch it. That would be better?
Noel
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4:09 p.m.
Software is a different story because technically it's licensed and not
purchased outright like hardware is ... we can't dispo software ... it all
has to be destroyed ... the licenses are generally non-transferrable...
Getting the software is definitely half the battle! But it's increasingly
possible to do between things that have become more or less abandonware, to
vendors that have had hobbyist programs, to systems that have an implicit
RTU to the OS that follows from hardware ownership ... it depends. Software
preservation is definitely important; I try to save everything that I can
get my hands on, especially operating systems and compilers - the basics!
Best,
Sean
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:19 PM, TeoZ <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
Even the people who do save hardware for collectors
tend to dump any
original software they have, plus many hardware collectors don't bother
with legit software.
-----Original Message----- From: Noel Chiappa
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 5:07 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: This is sad...
It's all just money...
Well, I agree, sometimes the machine is disassmbled in a way that harms the
components, or vital components are thrown away/re-cycled because 'they
don't
seem like they are useful/valuable' (case in point, cables - people save
the
boards, and throw away the cables - as a result of which, for many boards,
we
have more boards than we need, and no cables).
On the other hand, if this stuff _wasn't_ worth money, most people would
just
re-cycle it, or pitch it. That would be better?
Noel
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10:02 p.m.
On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 07:09:04PM -0400, Sean Caron wrote:
Software preservation is definitely important
remember that with the latest US laws, that certain data (e.g. hard
drives, magnetic media) *must* be destroyed on the supposition that
they contain sensitive personal data.
If you don't do so, you can create yourself a legal liability.
(do NOT ask me about equipment sold by someone in South Austin
who is now out of business, who should have been wiping drives.)
mcl
4 Oct
4 Oct
5:09 p.m.
On 10/04/2015 01:02 AM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 07:09:04PM -0400, Sean Caron
wrote:
Look up the federal HIPAA regulations... You don't want to be the one
responsible for losing electronic patient information...
--
--- Dave Woyciesjes
--- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/
--- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/
Registered Linux user number 464583
"Computers have lots of memory but no imagination."
"The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back."
- from some guy on the internet.
Software preservation is definitely important
remember that with the latest US laws, that certain data (e.g. hard
drives, magnetic media) *must* be destroyed on the supposition that
they contain sensitive personal data.
If you don't do so, you can create yourself a legal liability.
(do NOT ask me about equipment sold by someone in South Austin
who is now out of business, who should have been wiping drives.)
mcl
6 Oct
6 Oct
11:05 a.m.
This is more sad to me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/3i1rk5/turned_it_into…
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Dave Woyciesjes <woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
On 10/04/2015 01:02 AM, Mark Linimon wrote:
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 07:09:04PM -0400, Sean
Caron wrote:
one
responsible for losing electronic patient information...
--
--- Dave Woyciesjes
--- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/
--- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/
Registered Linux user number 464583
"Computers have lots of memory but no imagination."
"The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back."
- from some guy on the internet.
Software preservation is definitely important
remember that with the latest US laws, that certain data (e.g. hard
drives, magnetic media) *must* be destroyed on the supposition that
they contain sensitive personal data.
If you don't do so, you can create yourself a legal liability.
(do NOT ask me about equipment sold by someone in South Austin
who is now out of business, who should have been wiping drives.)
mcl
Look up the federal HIPAA regulations... You don't want to be the 
4:27 p.m.
Ian wrote...
----
This is more sad to me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/3i1rk5/turned_it_into…
----
It looked mint.
That's... just.... :(
J
4:30 p.m.
someon should find out if they still have the guts and ask if one could
aquire them
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Ian wrote...
----
This is more sad to me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/3i1rk5/turned_it_into…
----
It looked mint.
That's... just.... :(
J
5:27 p.m.
In the comments on that HP mini Reddit thread someone said he was
still using them for work. I asked him about that, and he said they're
used for timetables on London's Underground!
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Adrian Stoness <tdk.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
someon should find out if they still have the guts and
ask if one could
aquire them
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Ian wrote...
> ----
> This is more sad to me:
>
>
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/3i1rk5/turned_it_into…
> ----
>
> It looked mint.
>
> That's... just.... :(
>
> J
>
>
>
--
Ben Sinclair
ben at bensinclair.com
7 Oct
7 Oct
2:14 a.m.
Sad is not nearly strong enough. Looks like it was in great shape till the butcher hacked
it up.
Joe
On Oct 6, 2015, at 7:27 PM, "Jay West"
<jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Ian wrote...
----
This is more sad to me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/3i1rk5/turned_it_into…
----
It looked mint.
That's... just.... :(
J
3 Oct
3 Oct
4:01 p.m.
I remember 15 or 20 years ago there was a pretty active collector scene
with lots of people saving "worthless" or "junk" equipment from
garbage
cans, scrap heaps, loading docks, dispo yards and the like ... there was
lots of redistribution of stuff for just shipping and maybe a minor
consideration ... many nice workstations and servers changing hands for
$100, $50... cost of shipping and a small consideration ... It didn't take
high prices to have a vibrant scene ...
Being a collector has definitely made me more conscientious when I'm
prepping gear for disposition at work! Drive sleds, console cables and all
the other little things it helps to make a complete machine, I try hard to
keep all together when I package it up and send it off.
Best,
Sean
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
From: Johnny
Billquist
Which is a big reason I dislike eBay, people who
chop computers and
and
sell them in bits, and people who go on lists and
ask "how much is
this
worth?", since in many cases it's
because they're trying to figure
out
how much money they can make
...
It's all just money...
Well, I agree, sometimes the machine is disassmbled in a way that harms the
components, or vital components are thrown away/re-cycled because 'they
don't
seem like they are useful/valuable' (case in point, cables - people save
the
boards, and throw away the cables - as a result of which, for many boards,
we
have more boards than we need, and no cables).
On the other hand, if this stuff _wasn't_ worth money, most people would
just
re-cycle it, or pitch it. That would be better?
Noel
11:22 p.m.
Well, I agree, sometimes the machine is disassmbled in a way that harms the
components, or vital components are thrown away/re-cycled because 'they don't
seem like they are useful/valuable' (case in point, cables - people save the
boards, and throw away the cables - as a result of which, for many boards, we
have more boards than we need, and no cables).
Or when the previous owner thinks he's traced the fault to a module -- say a PCB
and throws that away because it is useless ARGH.
(a) That might not be the fault
(b) Even if it is, it can probably be repaired or used for spares for some other
machine.
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