12 Mar
2001
12 Mar
'01
7 a.m.
Sam:
I've heard the same thing. I can check the file dtaes tonight, but
as I recall, the dates corresponded to the release date of the PC.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:07 AM
To: Classic Computers Mailing List
Subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.0?
Is it true that there was never a release of PC/MS-DOS 1.0, and that the
first production release was 1.10?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
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12 Mar
12 Mar
7:26 a.m.
I HAVE copies of PC-DOS 1.00 and of PC-DOS 1.10
The most visibly obvious difference was support for 2 sided drives. There
also were some patches, informally distributed, for 1.00 to use 2 sided
drives, where the second side would be seen by DOS as an additional drive.
Surely I can't be the only one here who had the first (1.00) version and
anxiously awaited the release of the second (1.10) one!
By the time Compaq came out with their first luggable, IBM was on 1.10 and
Compaq had 1.25. But what about the clones that made it out BEFORE
1.10/1.25?
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Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Cini, Richard wrote:
Sam:
I've heard the same thing. I can check the file dtaes tonight, but
as I recall, the dates corresponded to the release date of the PC.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:07 AM
To: Classic Computers Mailing List
Subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.0?
Is it true that there was never a release of PC/MS-DOS 1.0, and that the
first production release was 1.10?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
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8:54 a.m.
re:
I HAVE copies of PC-DOS 1.00 and of PC-DOS 1.10
...
Surely I can't be the only one here who had the
first (1.00) version and
anxiously awaited the release of the second (1.10) one!
I remember using 1.00, and the patch to "support" double sided drives.
(When 1.10 came out, it wasn't compatible with the patch, so you had
to work to get the data off your unofficial double sided drives :)
Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler
10:02 a.m.
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
I HAVE copies of PC-DOS 1.00 and of PC-DOS 1.10
The most visibly obvious difference was support for 2 sided drives. There
also were some patches, informally distributed, for 1.00 to use 2 sided
drives, where the second side would be seen by DOS as an additional drive.
Surely I can't be the only one here who had the first (1.00) version and
anxiously awaited the release of the second (1.10) one!
Fred, I have been looking for copies (or original) PC-DOS 1.0 disks since
about 1985 or so and have never seen them. I did luck out and purchase a
(still) shrinkwrapped version of PC-DOS 1.10 at TRW many years ago and have
always been sorry I didn't take enough money down to buy more; they were
$5.00 or so each :(.
1:10 p.m.
Marvin,
I have some files for DOS 1.00. I can send them to you. There's only
about 5 or 6 files.
Joe
At 01:02 PM 3/12/01 -0800, you wrote:
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
I HAVE copies of PC-DOS 1.00 and of PC-DOS 1.10
The most visibly obvious difference was support for 2 sided drives. There
also were some patches, informally distributed, for 1.00 to use 2 sided
drives, where the second side would be seen by DOS as an additional drive.
Surely I can't be the only one here who had the first (1.00) version and
anxiously awaited the release of the second (1.10) one!
Fred, I have been looking for copies (or original) PC-DOS 1.0 disks since
about 1985 or so and have never seen them. I did luck out and purchase a
(still) shrinkwrapped version of PC-DOS 1.10 at TRW many years ago and have
always been sorry I didn't take enough money down to buy more; they were
$5.00 or so each :(.
7:40 p.m.
Joe wrote:
Marvin,
I have some files for DOS 1.00. I can send them to you. There's only
about 5 or 6 files.
One thing I would really love to have for the collection is one of the first
working IBM PC computers running on DOS 1.0 on a SS drive (160K?)! If these
files include the boot files, I would be most interested! I *think* the IBM
PCs I have here all have the 360K disk drives but isn't much trouble to
change them out.
8:32 p.m.
Looked through a bunch of disks and the earliest
version of MS-DOS I could find was 1.13.
13 Mar
13 Mar
7:12 a.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Looked through a bunch of disks and the earliest
version of MS-DOS I could find was 1.13.
Which OEM is your 1.13?
SOME of the differences from one OEM to another can prevent successfully
using one company's MS-DOS on another's products, but most of the
differences won't matter much.
Prior to 5.00, MS-DOS was [theoretically] only available from the OEM
manufacturer, although there was no shortage of gray-market copies.
From one manufacturer's version to another, there
will be some minor
differences in IO.SYS (for support of other drive types, etc.),
and
MODE.COM will be different. In some cases there may also be some changes
in FORMAT.COM
For example: Gavilan supported 8 and 16 line LCD screens and 3.5" drives
with their own unique format before IBM (PC-DOS 3.20). Their IO.SYS and
MODE.COM reflect those differences.
BTW, 2.11 and 3.31 seem to be the most heavily customized versions.
1.25 seems to be an MS-DOS version of PC-DOS 1.10
By the time that 5.00 came out (5/91), MS-DOS machines that weren't
completely compatible (ie: had any traces of originality) had been largely
driven out of the market.
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Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com
XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com
PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366
Berkeley, CA 94701-1236
12:45 p.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
BTW, 2.11 and 3.31 seem to be the most heavily
customized versions.
1.25 seems to be an MS-DOS version of PC-DOS 1.10
Since we're on the subject of differences between DOS
versions, does anyone know when the Zenith version of MS-DOS stopped
supporting the Z-100 series? I've got a few Zenith-specific versions
here, including 1.25, 2.00, 3.21, and 3.3+. The 1.25 and 2.00 state
that it is for the "Z-100 PC series" and I've used the 3.21 and 3.3+
with the Z-248. Zenith 3.3+ is interesting because it supports
partitions larger than 32MB and did so before the release of PC-DOS
4.0.
Jeff
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9:02 p.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
prevent successfully
Looked through a bunch of disks and the earliest
version of MS-DOS I could find was 1.13.
Which OEM is your 1.13?
SOME of the differences from one OEM to another can using one company's MS-DOS on another's
products, but
most of the
differences won't matter much.
Texas Instruments Portable Professional Computer -
proprietary format I believe
14 Mar
14 Mar
12:30 p.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Don't know that the format is unique, but I'll bet it won't run on
anything else than a TI 'Professional'.
- don
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
prevent successfully
Looked through a bunch of disks and the earliest
version of MS-DOS I could find was 1.13.
Which OEM is your 1.13?
SOME of the differences from one OEM to another can using one company's MS-DOS on another's
products, but
most of the
differences won't matter much.
Texas Instruments Portable Professional Computer -
proprietary format I believe
8:30 p.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
>
>
> > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
> > > Looked through a bunch of disks and the
earliest
> > > version of MS-DOS I could find was
1.13.
> >
> > Which OEM is your 1.13?
> > SOME of the differences from one OEM to another
can
> prevent successfully
> > using one company's MS-DOS on another's products,
but
most of the
Don't know that the format is unique, but I'll bet it differences won't matter much.
Texas Instruments Portable Professional Computer -
proprietary format I believe
anything else than a TI 'Professional'.
- don
You're right - I've tried.
13 Mar
13 Mar
3:33 a.m.
Marvin,
Yes, they are bootable. The files are on some disks that have the old
Nevada Cobal and (I think) Fortran compilers. I'm going out of town for a
few days but I'll make copies when I return. Go ahead and send me your
address and I'll put them in the mail to you when I return.
BTW Grumpy ol' Fred offered to make a copy of all of the DOS 1.00 files
for me. He says that there's 38 files including the .BAS ones. You might
want to get a copy for the stuff from him too.
Joe
At 10:40 PM 3/12/01 -0800, you wrote:
Joe wrote:
Marvin,
I have some files for DOS 1.00. I can send them to you. There's only
about 5 or 6 files.
One thing I would really love to have for the collection is one of the first
working IBM PC computers running on DOS 1.0 on a SS drive (160K?)! If these
files include the boot files, I would be most interested! I *think* the IBM
PCs I have here all have the 360K disk drives but isn't much trouble to
change them out.
6:37 a.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Marvin wrote:
One thing I would really love to have for the
collection is one of the first
working IBM PC computers running on DOS 1.0 on a SS drive (160K?)! If these
files include the boot files, I would be most interested! I *think* the IBM
PCs I have here all have the 360K disk drives but isn't much trouble to
change them out.
Around here, they are at least as common as copies of DOS 1.00. Where are
you?
Be sure that you get the 16-64K motherboard, NOT the 64-256K!
And the 63 W power supply. The first PC that I bought from IBM had a
BLACK power supply! I've only seen a few of those.
The drive is a Tandon TM100-1. Some LATER drives had IBM embossed on the
front panel; the early ones did not.
IBM did not sell a cable for the cassette port, but the pinout matches RS,
so their cable will do.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
6:58 a.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
Be sure that you get the 16-64K motherboard, NOT the
64-256K!
And the 63 W power supply. The first PC that I bought from IBM had a
BLACK power supply! I've only seen a few of those.
The drive is a Tandon TM100-1. Some LATER drives had IBM embossed on the
front panel; the early ones did not.
IBM did not sell a cable for the cassette port, but the pinout matches RS,
so their cable will do.
Thanks for the info (!) and I am in Santa Barbara. I have several 16-64K
motherboards including (I think) one actually installed in the IBM PC. I
have at least one of the black IBM Power Supplies, and was wondering where
they fit in the general scheme of the PC; sounds like they were one of the
first releases.
I've been curious for many years but haven't received any info; did IBM ever
release a cassette with the IBM name on it?
This thread is the first I've heard of anyone actually having PC-DOS 1.0,
and just goes to show there are a lot of knowledgeable people here!
7:44 a.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Marvin wrote:
Thanks for the info (!) and I am in Santa Barbara. I
have several 16-64K
motherboards including (I think) one actually installed in the IBM PC. I
have at least one of the black IBM Power Supplies, and was wondering where
they fit in the general scheme of the PC; sounds like they were one of the
first releases.
"One of". A friend who got her PC a few months before I got my first one,
did NOT have a black power supply!
I've been curious for many years but haven't
received any info; did IBM ever
release a cassette with the IBM name on it?
Cassette, yes. Player/recorder, no.
The "Guide to Operations" included "Diagnostics", which came on
cassette.
Should I dig out some of them?
Is there demand for copies of the "Guide to Operations"??!? Wow. This
list could save a lot of dump fees!
This thread is the first I've heard of anyone
actually having PC-DOS 1.0,
and just goes to show there are a lot of knowledgeable people here!
"Knowledgeable"??!?
Naah. Tony, maybe. The rest of us were just in the wrong place at the
wrong time.
BTW, starting with version 2.00, and the implementation of DOS API
function 30h, the version number ALWAYS had two digits to the right of the
period, and was internally stored as if it were a two digit decimal
number. There was never a version three point three nor a version six
point two, but there WAS a version three point thirty and a version six
point twenty! Function 30h on 3.3 gives 1Eh as the minor version (in AH)
and on 6.2 gives 14h as the minor version.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
7:51 a.m.
New subject: A month of our own.
Anyone else glad that the holiday seasons are finally over? I had to put up
with my wife decorating the house first in October for Halloween, November for
Thanksgiving, December for Christmas, January for New Years Day, and February
for Valentines day. I've been getting sick of it.
So for March I've decided to take back the house. I've decreed it to be
International Classic Computer Month. I've set up the most picturesque
members of my collection in prominent places around the house. It's good not to
have them relegated to the garage and a room no one ever sees. No part of the
home should be without the beauty of a classic machine.
I urge everyone to do the same. Now I just need to call my congresswomen and
get it turned into and official national holiday....
Eric
8:45 a.m.
New subject: A month of our own.
I urge everyone to do the same. Now I just need to call my congresswomen and
get it turned into and official national holiday....
I hate to break this to you, but march is Womens history month, or something
like that. and of course february was black history month.
I just hope i live long enough to see White Men honored for something.
Something thats not taken in a negative context.
-Lawrence LeMay
8:55 a.m.
New subject: A month of our own.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Eric J. Korpela wrote:
Anyone else glad that the holiday seasons are finally
over? I had to
put up with my wife decorating the house first in October for
Halloween, November for Thanksgiving, December for Christmas, January
for New Years Day, and February for Valentines day. I've been getting
sick of it.
She missed St. Patrick's Day. What's her e-mail address so I can remind
her and continue to annoy you? :)
So for March I've decided to take back the house.
I've decreed it to
be International Classic Computer Month. I've set up the most
picturesque members of my collection in prominent places around the
house. It's good not to have them relegated to the garage and a room
no one ever sees. No part of the home should be without the beauty of
a classic machine.
I always imagined my Burroughs adding machine with the glass beveled sides
revealing the inner-workings being mounted on a nice wooden pedestal
somewhere in my living room, with a couple other antique adding machines
lining the bookshelves and whatnot. For good measure, I'll frame the
signed copies of Konrad Zuse prints I got from Germany and mount them on
the walls :)
I urge everyone to do the same. Now I just need to
call my
congresswomen and get it turned into and official national holiday....
Make sure to tell your wife about Easter in April, Memorial Day in May,
Father's day in June, Independence Day in July, and, hey, August has no
real holidays of merit! We should declare a day in August as Classic
Computer Day.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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12:19 p.m.
New subject: A month of our own.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: A month of our own.
Make sure to tell your wife about Easter in April,
Memorial Day in
May,
Father's day in June, Independence Day in July,
and, hey, August has
no
real holidays of merit
Long Tan? 18th. Strictly speaking not a gazetted holiday (though I
understand that may change) but the Vietnam Vets around here wouldn't
appreciate it.
Besides it's my birthday.. ;^)
We should declare a day in August as Classic Computer
Day.
First, does anyone know the anniversary date of the release of something
significant to the classic community?
The first PDP? First Vax? (Not the pc please!) That might be a better
choice than a random pick perhaps.
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Mark's College
Port Pirie,
South Australia
geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au
netcafe(a)tell.net.au
ICQ: 1970476
1:23 p.m.
New subject: A month of our own.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Geoff Roberts wrote:
Besides it's my birthday.. ;^)
My notes say the PC was 8/11/1981
PC-DOS 1.0 is dated 8/4/1981
Looks like your birthday wins out.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
We should declare a day in August as Classic
Computer Day.
First, does anyone know the anniversary date of the release of
something
significant to the classic community?
The first PDP? First Vax? (Not the pc please!) That might be a better
choice than a random pick perhaps.
1:42 p.m.
New subject: A month of our own.
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Geoff Roberts wrote:
First, does anyone know the anniversary date of the
release of something
significant to the classic community?
The first PDP? First Vax? (Not the pc please!) That might be a better
choice than a random pick perhaps.
How about Chuck Babbages b-day? December 26, 1792. Too close to Jesus :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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4:16 p.m.
New subject: Classic Computer month
We should declare a day in August as Classic
Computer Day.
First, does anyone know the anniversary date of the release of something
significant to the classic community?
The first PDP? First Vax? (Not the pc please!) That might be a better
choice than a random pick perhaps.
12:15 p.m.
New subject: PC/MS-DOS 1.00?
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Marvin wrote:
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
...or a lot of pack-rats, depending on how you want to look at it!
- don
Be sure that you get the 16-64K motherboard, NOT
the 64-256K!
And the 63 W power supply. The first PC that I bought from IBM had a
BLACK power supply! I've only seen a few of those.
The drive is a Tandon TM100-1. Some LATER drives had IBM embossed on the
front panel; the early ones did not.
IBM did not sell a cable for the cassette port, but the pinout matches RS,
so their cable will do.
Thanks for the info (!) and I am in Santa Barbara. I have several 16-64K
motherboards including (I think) one actually installed in the IBM PC. I
have at least one of the black IBM Power Supplies, and was wondering where
they fit in the general scheme of the PC; sounds like they were one of the
first releases.
I've been curious for many years but haven't received any info; did IBM ever
release a cassette with the IBM name on it?
This thread is the first I've heard of anyone actually having PC-DOS 1.0,
and just goes to show there are a lot of knowledgeable people here!
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