3 Aug
2007
3 Aug
'07
6:58 a.m.
OK, folks, - IBM 580 and 581 tape units. Any ideas? From the
description I received, they sound like they are 60s era. That is all
I know.
--
Will
8:01 a.m.
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:58:23 -0400, William Donzelli wrote:
OK, folks, - IBM 580 and 581 tape units. Any ideas?
From the
description I received, they sound like they are 60s era. That is all
I know.
--
Will
3580 IBM Ultrium tapedrive & 3581 Tape Autoloader make sense but are modern DAT
tapes.
I can find no referance to a 580 or 581 other than as the subchannel address of 580 for
the active SID
tape.
3420 used address 580 for tape emulated on disk. for that matter address 580 was used as
the tape
address in several places.
The RISC/6000 had a 7013 rev ... 58F, 58H, 580, ... that is 58 (Oh) not Zero
Type 580 magnetic tape system with one transport ($19,700) ... on the PDP-8... not IBM :(
and 581 Tape Stations ... but that was on the RCA 501
A picture, or more info ... please !!!!!!
The other Bob
8:15 a.m.
3420 used address 580 for tape emulated on disk.
for that matter address 580 was used as the tape
address in several places.
I halfway suspect this, but the description does not match ("blue on
bottom, white on top").
I will see if I can get the guy to take a cell-phone picture.
--
Will
7 Aug
7 Aug
7:02 a.m.
On Aug 6, 2007, at 8:21 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
You say that as if it's a bad thing!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
I halfway
suspect this, but the description does not match ("blue on
bottom, white on top").
I will see if I can get the guy to take a cell-phone picture.
Turned out to be 3420s. Oh well.
7:59 a.m.
On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:16 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
I love living in Florida, but the total lack of interesting
hardware is damn painful sometimes. I'd love to adopt a few 3420s.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
You say
that as if it's a bad thing!
3420s are all coming out of the woodwork now, and are not all that
hard to get.
In a few years, this will not be the case.
8:30 a.m.
I love living in Florida, but the total lack of
interesting
hardware is damn painful sometimes. I'd love to adopt a few 3420s.
Stuff pops up in Atlanta from time to time - that is a reasonable
distance from you.
And really, nobody seems to live where the good things show up.
Whatever it is, its on the other side of the state/country/world.
--
Will
8:50 a.m.
William Donzelli wrote:
Ahem.
Dave McG. will probably attest to the fact that I literally stumble
over Good Stuff all the time.
I've snatched PDP-11s, innumerable VAXen, a Convergent CT-001
(Burroughs N-GEN box), Amigas, Kaypros, sbus and 68K Suns, Ataris, an
Altos 580-15, you name it, from various scrappers around here.
I once missed a VAXstation I, complete with keyboard, mouse, and
display, because I was on my motorcycle. By the time I got back it was
gone - from the neighborhood thrift store.
Austin, Texas is a gold mine for "obsolete" electronic equipment. I
keep thinking it'll dry up, and it just keeps coming.
Doc
I love
living in Florida, but the total lack of interesting
hardware is damn painful sometimes. I'd love to adopt a few 3420s.
Stuff pops up in Atlanta from time to time - that is a reasonable
distance from you.
And really, nobody seems to live where the good things show up.
Whatever it is, its on the other side of the state/country/world.
9:19 a.m.
Dave McG. will probably attest to the fact that I
literally stumble
over Good Stuff all the time.
I've snatched PDP-11s, innumerable VAXen, a Convergent CT-001
(Burroughs N-GEN box), Amigas, Kaypros, sbus and 68K Suns, Ataris, an
Altos 580-15, you name it, from various scrappers around here.
I will chalk this up as a "difference in standards". "Good things" to
me means really obscure or rare mainframe or minicomputer items. Only
a few PDP-11s would fall into this category (blinkenlight models,
basically), and almost no VAX machines (except a 9000).
Suns? I could built a house with all the Suns that turn up. Unless it
is a Sun-1, I am generally unimpressed and will pass. Same with
Kaypros, Amigas, Altos, etc.
OK, a snobbish attitude, I will admit it.
--
Will
10:08 a.m.
I will chalk this up as a "difference in
standards".
"Good things" to
me means really obscure or rare mainframe or
minicomputer items.
Suns? I could built a house with all the Suns that
turn up.
Heh - well, for a while there I found tons and tons of
older SparcStations - 5's mostly. I used to joke about
building an addition to my hosue out of them. But
lately Sun hardware has been pretty thin on the
ground. Sparcstations turn up now and again, but Sun3
or VME based Sun4's are nearly unobtanium, and I've
never even seen a Sun2.
All this stuff goes in cycles, you have to take care
not to pass up on too much stuff before it's all gone.
OK, a snobbish attitude, I will admit it.
Hehe - maybe a bit - but hey, different people have
different interests. That's what makes computer
collecting fun.
-Ian
10:39 a.m.
William Donzelli wrote:
I live where mainframes show up. *shrug*
Peace... Sridhar
I love
living in Florida, but the total lack of interesting
hardware is damn painful sometimes. I'd love to adopt a few 3420s.
Stuff pops up in Atlanta from time to time - that is a reasonable
distance from you.
And really, nobody seems to live where the good things show up.
Whatever it is, its on the other side of the state/country/world. 
11:21 a.m.
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
Yes, but you also live where they make them.
That's
cheating.
I don't think a classic computer main frame was made in years.
This brings up a good question. Other than IBM are there any
computer companies left from the classic 1960-1980 computer
era that have some sort of NON-PC computer out?
11:32 a.m.
woodelf wrote:
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
Bull, Unisys.
Peace... Sridhar
Yes, but you also live where they make them.
That's
cheating.
I don't think a classic computer main frame was made in years.
This brings up a good question. Other than IBM are there any
computer companies left from the classic 1960-1980 computer
era that have some sort of NON-PC computer out?
6:14 p.m.
--- Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
I thought they both stopped?
Peace... Sridhar
Ah, yes, well, good point - they're no longer
companies that make computers. But they're definitely
still around.
-Ian
Other than IBM are
> there any
>> computer companies left from the classic
1960-1980
computer
Xerox, General Electric. era that have some sort of NON-PC computer out?
Bull, Unisys.
11:33 a.m.
woodelf wrote:
Mr Ian Primus wrote:
HP too.
Peace... Sridhar
Yes, but you also live where they make them.
That's
cheating.
I don't think a classic computer main frame was made in years.
This brings up a good question. Other than IBM are there any
computer companies left from the classic 1960-1980 computer
era that have some sort of NON-PC computer out? 
10:47 a.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:16 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
I love living in Florida, but the total lack of interesting
hardware is damn painful sometimes. I'd love to adopt a few 3420s.
There was a fellow (Joe Rigdon) in Florida on the list a while ago who always
seemed to be coming up with interesting stuff. The hitch may be that (I
believe) he was near the Kennedy Space Centre (or whatever it's called these
days - I still think of it as Cape Kennedy) and had good contacts with scrappers.
You
say that as if it's a bad thing!
3420s are all coming out of the woodwork now, and are not all that
hard to get.
In a few years, this will not be the case.
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