I had mentioned these before, but unfortunately dumped the email by accident..... I have a Model III complete with software and Model 12 with 2 external hard drives and keyboard. I assume they work (at least the Model III had worked the last time the donor who gave it to me used it....) I'm in Northwest Indiana, about 40 minutes East of Chicago. These are too big and bulky for me to deal with packing and shipping....I would prefer that they be picked up. I'm never gonna get around to playing with them, and they are taking up a huge amount of shelf space that I need for other things. I don't want to scrap 'em....but I would like them gone by the end of the month. I've already done my big Tandy display at the local library, and I realized just how bulky they are when I tried to shoehorn 'em into my Impreza.....I'm sticking with smaller stuff from now on. Ok, the Lisa II is and exception. ;o) Please. Give these a good home. Thanks. Please contact me off-list and we can arrange something Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com "A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."