22 Apr
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22 Apr
'05
9:38 a.m.
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22 Apr
22 Apr
9:45 a.m.
On 4/22/05, Computer Collector Newsletter <news at computercollector.com> wrote:
Check out all four pages in the link under this photo
(from CNET):
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AHHHHHHH!!!!!!111eleven
PS: Here at work they're thinking about getting a similar machine for
all the fridges, couches, stoves, etc. that we receive.
10:05 a.m.
On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 09:38 -0400, Computer Collector Newsletter wrote:
Check out all four pages in the link under this photo
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Damn, they've got a much nicer building that our storage areas too!
11:24 a.m.
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(from CNET):
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Yes...recycling...bad thing...wouldn't want that...
(yes, I am feeling a bit pissed lately at a lot of things)
William Donzelli
aw288 at osgn.org
11:58 a.m.
On Friday 22 April 2005 10:24, William Donzelli wrote:
I wouldn't be so upset if I couldn't see a Sun E5x00/6x00 rack sitting
there in the forground, a system that's probably still worth >$1k, or
at least a few hundred $$, and still a fairly desirable system. I
don't mind them recycling stuff that can't be resold to other people
for use, but when you start pitching perfectly sellable machines to the
shredder, perhaps you need to rethink your methods...
Pat
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Yes...recycling...bad thing...wouldn't want that...
12:32 p.m.
On 4/22/05, Patrick Finnegan <pat at computer-refuge.org> wrote:
On Friday 22 April 2005 10:24, William Donzelli
wrote:
I wouldn't be so upset if I couldn't see a Sun E5x00/6x00 rack sitting
there in the forground,
...
Check out
all four pages in the link under this photo (from CNET):
http://tinyurl.com/9e6le
Yes...recycling...bad thing...wouldn't want that... for use, but when you start pitching perfectly
sellable machines to the
shredder, perhaps you need to rethink your methods...
But if you don't destroy the "obsolete" systems, how are you supposed
to maintain your 10% growth rate?
-dhbarr.
12:34 p.m.
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Friday 22 April 2005 10:24, William Donzelli
wrote:
I wouldn't be so upset if I couldn't see a Sun E5x00/6x00 rack sitting
there in the forground, a system that's probably still worth >$1k, or
at least a few hundred $$, and still a fairly desirable system. I
don't mind them recycling stuff that can't be resold to other people
for use, but when you start pitching perfectly sellable machines to the
shredder, perhaps you need to rethink your methods...
So find that place and offer them money for the stuff before they shred
it.
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Yes...recycling...bad thing...wouldn't want that... 
1:27 p.m.
At 11:34 AM 4/22/2005, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
So find that place and offer them money for the stuff
before they shred it.
These places certainly have people paid to triage. Some systems
are reclaimed as-is. Maybe they boot-and-nuke and sell the bare
system to a PC reseller, maybe they take systems apart and sell
the components, or maybe they have their own shop for selling the PCs.
If the owners have been in the recycling / junk business, then
they'll certainly have the money-scavenging attitudes we see at
any resale shop or auction house. Don't think you'll be able to
skim all the IMSAIs at $5 each. The operators will want their
fair share if the material is valuable - and by simply showing
up and asking to buy item X, you've established there's some value.
You need to overcome their inertia to even bother to sit and
talk to you about buying some particular pile you like.
Time is money. Storage is money. Even bothering costs money.
- John
1:39 p.m.
In the first picture it even looks even like they have
Alpha servers there ready to die. Yike.
So find that place and offer them money for the stuff
before
they shred it.
Exactly.
There was a story used in "The Twilight Zone" twice, once in the 1960's
and once in the 1980's. In the cold-war version, the powerful character
was left as an evil threat to be feared and loathed... but by the
Spielberged version he was befriended and his power was supposedly
turned to good. Anyway, befriend and not fear your local scrapper.
John A.
Archival: UnTinied:
Story (21-Apr-2005)
http://news.com.com/Tech+giants+boost+recycling+efforts/2100-1003_3-5679907.
html
Photos
http://news.com.com/Photos+For+old+PCs,+the+end+comes+in+pieces/2009-1003_3-
5679949.html
23 Apr
23 Apr
1:03 a.m.
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
Vintage Computer Festival <vcf at siconic.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
I've been around said operations before. Often you have to be a bonded
employee to even see what's on the floor. And you'll NEVER be allowed
to take anything off the floor in anything bigger than granular size.
They sign NDA's with the places that ship them the gear, therefore the
machines don't need to be 'decomissioned' or the data wiped because a
secured, bonded disposal site is guaranteed to destroy it.
On Friday 22 April 2005 10:24, William Donzelli
wrote:
I wouldn't be so upset if I couldn't see a Sun E5x00/6x00 rack
sitting there in the forground, a system that's probably still worth
So find that place and offer them money for the stuff before they
shred it.
Check out
all four pages in the link under this photo (from
CNET): http://tinyurl.com/9e6le
Yes...recycling...bad thing...wouldn't want that... $1k, or
at least a few hundred $$, and
still a fairly desirable system. I
don't mind them recycling stuff that can't be resold to other people
for use, but when you start pitching perfectly sellable machines to
the shredder, perhaps you need to rethink your methods... 
2:38 p.m.
At 12:03 AM 4/23/05 -0500, you wrote:
That hasn't been my experience. I shop at several scrap/recycling places
on a routine basis and they seldom have NDAs. The ones in this area get a
LOT of computers from NASA and military contractors and the source
usuallies pull the hard drives if they're concerned about them but the rest
of the computer goes out for recycling. EVERY recycler in this area readily
resells the stuff if someone shows up with money. ONE scrap place here USED
to have a Must Destroy contract from ONE of his sources and he wasn't
allowed to sell ANY electronic device or even components but that's the
only time I ran into that situation. Any company or person that relies on a
scrpper or recycler to "decomishion" their computers and destroy sensitive
data is an idiot!!!! The recyclers don't have the knowledge or time or
concern to do that adaquetely.
Joe
So find that place and offer them money for the stuff before they
shred it.
I've been around said operations before. Often you have to be a bonded
employee to even see what's on the floor. And you'll NEVER be allowed
to take anything off the floor in anything bigger than granular size.
They sign NDA's with the places that ship them the gear, therefore the
machines don't need to be 'decomissioned' or the data wiped because a
secured, bonded disposal site is guaranteed to destroy it.
22 Apr
22 Apr
noon
I'm sure you realize that my heartbreak here isn't anti-recycling, just fear
that something with historic significant might wind up in the shredder.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of William Donzelli
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:24 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Better have a strong stomach for this...
Check out all four pages in the link under this photo
(from CNET):
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Yes...recycling...bad thing...wouldn't want that...
(yes, I am feeling a bit pissed lately at a lot of things)
William Donzelli
aw288 at osgn.org
1:13 p.m.
I just heard back from a contact in HP's corporate archives. She assured me
that the recyclers are told to look out for anything that's really old, and
to send it to her.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of William Donzelli
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:35 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: Better have a strong stomach for this...
I'm sure you realize that my heartbreak here
isn't anti-recycling,
just fear that something with historic significant might wind up in the
shredder.
Yes, I know, but it is bound to happen. We can't save it all...
William Donzelli
aw288 at osfn.org
23 Apr
23 Apr
10:52 a.m.
It's not so much the shredding of computers which I find disgusting as
how wasteful we are with technology. I'm guessing that over half of
the mass of our discards could be reused, never mind recycled, if we
were in the right state of mind. And a lot more hardware could be
reused if it were designed properly.
But I continually try to remind myself that this throw-away mentality
is why I had such a nice collection: I've been to a recycler before
(not that type of recycler though) and snagged a fair bit of nice old
hardware, found complete systems at thrift stores, and even pulled
rejects off the curb. It is a nice way to build a collection.
Unfortunately, some times it is a little much (particularly when you
have to get rid of it because you're moving.)
4:27 p.m.
It's not so much the shredding of computers which
I find
disgusting as how wasteful we are with technology. I'm
guessing that over half of the mass of our discards could
be reused, never mind recycled, if we were in the right state
of mind.
Get to know this site:
National Cristina Foundation
http://www.cristina.org/dsf/
They are a brokerage matching up "Haves" with "Have Nots",
usually by nearest location, so no shipping is required.
I have outplaced now 29 computers destined for South Africa,
thanks to this organization. After establishing the relationship,
I even sent out systems lower than the minimum requirement,
by mutual agreement.
John A.
6:20 p.m.
I just heard back from a contact in HP's corporate archives. She assured me
that the recyclers are told to look out for anything that's really old, and
to send it to her.
What, like 386-based PCs, you mean :-(
Considering HP seem to have forgotten they ever made such classics as the
9100, 9830, 2100, etc, I expect anything from the above statement.
-tony
22 Apr
22 Apr
1:23 p.m.
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, William Donzelli wrote:
I don't fret (much) over stuff lost. I look instead at the stuff I've
managed to save and am happy--at least until it's time to move again :(
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I'm sure
you realize that my heartbreak here isn't anti-recycling, just fear
that something with historic significant might wind up in the shredder.
Yes, I know, but it is bound to happen. We can't save it all...
23 Apr
23 Apr
2:24 p.m.
If they (HP/Compaq/DEC) would shred their current and recent PCs the
world would be a better place!
Joe
At 09:38 AM 4/22/05 -0400, you wrote:
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