17 Jan
2003
17 Jan
'03
10:45 p.m.
Reading classiccmp today I wanted to puke. I'm sorry,
I'm with Stallman, fuck the corporate spin-doctors.
In the real world ideas are free and even Bob Dylan was
noted for his free use of others material. "Intellectual
PROPERTY" ? That's a lawyer's and corporate term.
Meaning the extension of material possession law to
ideas cause lord knows they've got property rights
down to a science. The pharmaceutical companies
almost patented the human genone but were prevented
by a few alert clinicists. Monsanto is busy trying to tie
up our very grain foodstuff, our health is held ransom to
the corporations. And some little sucks that hope they
can emulate Bill Gates are peddling this game ?
Sony, MCA, and the music conglomerates got their
"copyrights" by stealing the songs from the musicians
and composers for the most part. There's a long history
of poor jazz and blues musicians behind all those songs.
And even McCartney and Jagger will admit that they
copied American blues musicians in what they did.
These sterling words that the creator of some idea should
benefit from his creation are simply bullshit to provide
cover for the suits who do benefit. For the most part they
paid a (barely) living wage to the artists who did actually
do the creative part, whether songster, cartoonist, writer,
or coder. Even Edison and his company ripped off Tesla.
Damn, what has the impersonality of computers wrought ?
A generation of egocentric, alienated, individualists with
some sort of subjective morality ? It's OK to do a bad
thing if it furthers my objectives ?
A world I never made ! GNU forever !
Alt 2600 is looking good if I can just get by the spelling,
the ingenuity, and "z" for "s".
Get a new suit and eat more. You'll still die eventually.
Lawrence
Live life like you're never_gonna-die
Love like you've never been hurt
Dance and sing like no-one is watcing or listening
And rejoice in our creation.
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
17 Jan
17 Jan
11:41 p.m.
Reading classiccmp today I wanted to puke. I'm
sorry,
I'm with Stallman, fuck the corporate spin-doctors.
In the real world ideas are free and even Bob Dylan was
noted for his free use of others material. "Intellectual
PROPERTY" ? That's a lawyer's and corporate term. Meaning the
extension of material possession law to
ideas cause lord knows they've got property rights
down to a science. The pharmaceutical companies
almost patented the human genone but were prevented
by a few alert clinicists. Monsanto is busy trying to tie
up our very grain foodstuff, our health is held ransom to
the corporations. And some little sucks that hope they
can emulate Bill Gates are peddling this game ?
Sony, MCA, and the music conglomerates got their
"copyrights" by stealing the songs from the musicians
and composers for the most part. There's a long history
of poor jazz and blues musicians behind all those songs.
And even McCartney and Jagger will admit that they
copied American blues musicians in what they did.
These sterling words that the creator of some idea should
benefit from his creation are simply bullshit to provide
cover for the suits who do benefit. For the most part they
paid a (barely) living wage to the artists who did actually
do the creative part, whether songster, cartoonist, writer,
or coder. Even Edison and his company ripped off Tesla.
Damn, what has the impersonality of computers wrought ?
A generation of egocentric, alienated, individualists with
some sort of subjective morality ? It's OK to do a bad
thing if it furthers my objectives ?
A world I never made ! GNU forever !
Alt 2600 is looking good if I can just get by the spelling,
the ingenuity, and "z" for "s".
Get a new suit and eat more. You'll still die eventually.
Lawrence
I think you left out the part about the fact that we stole the country
from the Indians.
18 Jan
18 Jan
1:16 p.m.
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
I think you left out the part about the fact that we
stole the country
from the Indians.
Nope, we didn't steal it from the Indians. They were still busy trading
spices and stuff by the time North America was discovered.
No, we stole it from the indigenous peoples that were here when the
Pilgrims landed ;)
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5:17 p.m.
I think you
left out the part about the fact that we stole
the country
from the Indians.
Nope, we didn't steal it from the Indians. They were still
busy trading spices and stuff by the time North America was
discovered.
No, we stole it from the indigenous peoples that were here
when the Pilgrims landed ;)
19 Jan
19 Jan
11:26 a.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Sellam wrote:
> No, we stole it from the indigenous peoples that
were here
> when the Pilgrims landed ;)
Wayne M. Smith wrote:
C'mon Sellam, we're all indigenous peoples --
some of us are just
displaced!
Whenever possible, I indicate on forms that I am a native american.
I've frequently gotten complaints from people over that. I tell them
to look up the words "native" and "american" in the dictionary, and
explain to me how I fail to qualify.
5:03 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
I've frequently gotten complaints from people over
that. I
tell them to look up the words "native" and "american" in
the dictionary, and explain to me how I fail to qualify.
It's in the first dictionary I looked in. _Indiginous_ people.
John A.
5:47 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
I wrote:
I've frequently gotten complaints from people over
that. I
tell them to look up the words "native" and "american" in
the dictionary, and explain to me how I fail to qualify.
John Allain wrote:
It's in the first dictionary I looked in.
_Indiginous_ people.
I think you mean "indigenous". Originating and living naturally in
an area or environment. I originated in north american, thus I am a
native american.
5:53 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
I wrote:
I originated in north american, [...]
Poor editing on my part. I originally composed that as "originated on
the north american continent," and when I changed the wording I failed
to remove the "n". It should, of course, have read "I originated in
north america, [...]."
6:12 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
I stand by my Unix comment on the indifference to capitalization as
a hinderance to understanding the English Language.
"North American" IS a continent. The idea of "north American" is any
damn place in America north of a particular reference point.
Some folks shouldn't have Unix as their first language. :)
Eric
Eric Smith wrote:
I wrote:
I originated in north american, [...]
Poor editing on my part. I originally composed that as "originated on
the north american continent," and when I changed the wording I failed
to remove the "n". It should, of course, have read "I originated in
north america, [...]."
6:06 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
what it said was
"Belonging to the people inhabiting a country
originally or at the time of its discovery."
suckered in by another ridiculous post.
my mistake, sorry.
John A.
and I violated the copyright of the dictionary. WhooHoo!
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
I wrote:
I've frequently gotten complaints from people over
that. I
tell them to look up the words "native" and "american" in
the dictionary, and explain to me how I fail to qualify.
John Allain wrote:
It's in the first dictionary I looked in.
_Indiginous_ people.
I think you mean "indigenous". Originating and living naturally in
an area or environment. I originated in north american, thus I am a
native american.
6:20 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
what it said was
"Belonging to the people inhabiting a country
originally or at the time of its discovery."
I have no idea what dictionary you're looking at, but dictionary.com
found several:
Originating and living or occurring naturally in an area or environment.
American Heritage Dictionary of the English Lanugage, Fourth Edition
Native; produced, growing, or living, naturally in a country or climate;
not exotic; not imported.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1998
Originating where it is found
WorldNet, 1997
The idea of "inhabiting a country originally or at the time of its
discovery" may be *one* definition of indigenous, but it's clearly
not definitive. One example givin in the Webster's entry does seem
to substantiate the definition you've given, even though the Webster's
definition is more broad.
Anyhow, not all definitions of "native" require the noun to be
indigenous. In fact, most don't. For instance, definition two in
the American Heritage Dictionary (ibid.):
Being such by birth or origin: <i>A native Scot</i>.
I'm certainly an American by birth or origin, thus I'm clearly native
to America.
6:38 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Eric Smith wrote:
Right, you are a native American but not a Native American.
And there is no such things as Native Scots, just native Scots.
The proper noun in this case is the key.
Eric
what it said
was
"Belonging to the people inhabiting a country
originally or at the time of its discovery."
I have no idea what dictionary you're looking at, but dictionary.com
found several:
Originating and living or occurring naturally in an area or environment.
American Heritage Dictionary of the English Lanugage, Fourth Edition
Native; produced, growing, or living, naturally in a country or climate;
not exotic; not imported.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1998
Originating where it is found
WorldNet, 1997
The idea of "inhabiting a country originally or at the time of its
discovery" may be *one* definition of indigenous, but it's clearly
not definitive. One example givin in the Webster's entry does seem
to substantiate the definition you've given, even though the Webster's
definition is more broad.
Anyhow, not all definitions of "native" require the noun to be
indigenous. In fact, most don't. For instance, definition two in
the American Heritage Dictionary (ibid.):
Being such by birth or origin: <i>A native Scot</i>.
I'm certainly an American by birth or origin, thus I'm clearly native
to America.
7:47 p.m.
New subject: OT: Indians, Americans, Natives, Native Americans, Indigenous Peoples, and "Indigens" was (Intellectual Property)
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Eric Smith wrote:
I'm certainly an American by birth or origin, thus
I'm clearly native
to America.
The term Native American has certainly caused semantical confusion.
You are indeed a Native American, and a native American. But you are not,
in the context of the period preceding, say, 500 years ago, a Person
Descended from an Indigenous Person of this Land that is Now Known as
America.
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20 Jan
4:34 a.m.
New subject: OTicism. Are the indians winning?
You are indeed a Native American, and a native
American.
I think it's provably true in many things decided on on this
list are not as they are in the real world, and most of those
things are the off topic discussions.
I urge the youngest members of the list to seldom choose
the rulings of this tiny court as the last word on anything,
and instead check out your local library for answers to
certainly the greater questions in life, and probably anything
not pertaining to Classic Computers.
John A.
19 Jan
19 Jan
5:08 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Eric Smith wrote:
Sellam wrote:
I dunno. I think that in the context where the term "Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective.
Now I'm not sure about the forms that you've been looking at, but
are you a native American or a Native American?
Eric
P.S. Has Unix's indifference to capitalization fostered a gap in under-
standing within the English Language?
> No, we stole it from the indigenous peoples
that were here
> when the Pilgrims landed ;)
Wayne M. Smith wrote:
C'mon Sellam, we're all indigenous
peoples -- some of us are just
displaced!
Whenever possible, I indicate on forms that I am a native american.
I've frequently gotten complaints from people over that. I tell them
to look up the words "native" and "american" in the dictionary, and
explain to me how I fail to qualify.
5:50 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Eric Chomko wrote:
I dunno. I think that in the context where the term
"Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective.
I am unaware of any rule of spelling or grammar that causes a capitalized
adjective to have a different meaning than the same word without
capitalization. Of three dictionaries I've consulted, none give a special
meaning for "Native" as distinct from "native". Two of them imply
that
"American" should be capitalized, but the third does not.
Now I'm not sure about the forms that you've
been looking at, but
are you a native American or a Native American?
Yes, I am.
6:08 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Eric Smith wrote:
There is a distinction between the two. The first case is two separate entries
in Websters. The latter is a single entry. You, sir, stand corrected!
Eric
Eric Chomko wrote:
"American" is always capitalized. "Native American" is quite different
than
"native American." The first implies that the two words have a distinction
when combined. Check the website: www.m-w.com with "Native American",
it is a single entry.
Then look up "native" and "American" at the same website. Combine the
two
latter as separate word entries and then you'll have you.
I dunno. I think that in the context where the
term "Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective.
I am unaware of any rule of spelling or grammar that causes a capitalized
adjective to have a different meaning than the same word without
capitalization. Of three dictionaries I've consulted, none give a special
meaning for "Native" as distinct from "native". Two of them imply
that
"American" should be capitalized, but the third does not. Now I'm not sure about the forms that
you've been looking at, but
are you a native American or a Native American?
Yes, I am.
6:53 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
You can enter "american" in a search but all reponses will respond corrected
with "American."
Please provide a link to it otherwise.
Maybe Unix shouldn't take the full blame for this liberalization in the use or
lack thereof of
capiatlization of words; but what is clear is that just because the ASCII
presentation of
letters for uppercase and lowercase differ by one bit we have a tendancy to
lose the
distinction of word(s) meaning based upon capitalization. I think that English
teachers need to
address this in a neo technical world.
Eric, just because a search engine doesn't kick back "american" as wrong
doesn't make it's
lower case spelling right.
Eric
Eric Smith wrote:
"American" is always capitalized.
Of about seven dictionaries I've now checked, four online and three paper,
four do not always capitalize "american". It is clear that
"american"
is not always capitalized.
7:27 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Eric, just because a search engine doesn't kick
back "american" as wrong
doesn't make it's
lower case spelling right.
Huh? What do search engines have to do with it? I definitely don't count
on them as any sort of reference on spelling or capitalization. I'm
talking about dictionaries, both on line and printed on paper (how quaint!).
6:14 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
At 08:53 PM 1/19/03 -0800, Eric Smith wrote:
Eric Chomko wrote:
Perhaps no rule, but there are certainly some specific cases. Here's a
simple example:
1) We are thankful that he showed mercy
2) We are thankful that He showed mercy
You have no idea whom I'm talking about in case 1, but case 2 is very specific.
I dunno. I think that in the context where the
term "Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective.
I am unaware of any rule of spelling or grammar that causes a capitalized
adjective to have a different meaning than the same word without
capitalization. Of three dictionaries I've consulted, none give a
special
meaning for "Native" as distinct from "native". Two of them imply
that
"American" should be capitalized, but the third does not.
If you look up the meaning of each word you can't decipher the true meaning
of the phrase. As you are well aware, English has thousands of idioms.
Go to "www.m-w.com" (merriam-webster), and type "native american", not
just
one word, and it will say it is a synonym for "american indian".
Click on "american indian" and it says:
: a member of any of the aboriginal peoples of the western hemisphere
except usually the Eskimos; especially : an American Indian of North
America and especially the U.S.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
Now I'm not sure about the forms that
you've been looking at, but
are you a native American or a Native American?
Yes, I am.
6:35 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Jim,
Jim Battle wrote:
At 08:53 PM 1/19/03 -0800, Eric Smith wrote:
Actually "native american" as input gets corrected to "Native
American."
Eric
Eric Chomko wrote:
Perhaps no rule, but there are certainly some specific cases. Here's a
simple example:
1) We are thankful that he showed mercy
2) We are thankful that He showed mercy
You have no idea whom I'm talking about in case 1, but case 2 is very specific.
I dunno. I think that in the context where the
term "Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective.
I am unaware of any rule of spelling or grammar that causes a capitalized
adjective to have a different meaning than the same word without
capitalization. Of three dictionaries I've consulted, none
give a special
meaning for "Native" as distinct from "native". Two of them imply
that
"American" should be capitalized, but the third does not.
If you look up the meaning of each word you can't decipher the true meaning
of the phrase. As you are well aware, English has thousands of idioms.
Go to "www.m-w.com" (merriam-webster), and type "native american",
not just
one word, and it will say it is a synonym for "american indian".
Now I'm not sure about the forms that
you've been looking at, but
are you a native American or a Native American?
Yes, I am.
Click on "american indian" and it says:
: a member of any of the aboriginal peoples of the western hemisphere
except usually the Eskimos; especially : an American Indian of North
America and especially the U.S.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
7:42 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Jim Battle wrote:
Go to "www.m-w.com" (merriam-webster), and
type "native american", not just
one word, and it will say it is a synonym for "american indian".
Click on "american indian" and it says:
: a member of any of the aboriginal peoples of the western hemisphere
except usually the Eskimos; especially : an American Indian of North
America and especially the U.S.
Isn't it politically incorrect to call Inuits "Eskimos" these days? ;)
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9:09 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
It was thus said that the Great Eric Smith once stated:
Eric Chomko wrote:
Polish and polish.
Okay, one is an adjective and one is a verb. I'll leave it up to you do
decide which is which 8-)
-spc (Also a native of North America ... )
I dunno. I think that in the context where the
term "Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective.
I am unaware of any rule of spelling or grammar that causes a capitalized
adjective to have a different meaning than the same word without
capitalization. 
10:59 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
It was thus said that the Great Brian Chase once stated:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote:
The Polish use Polish polish to polish.
art noun v adj noun v v
-spc (So it's all three ... okay, this is getting too silly ... )
Polish and polish.
Okay, one is an adjective and one is a verb. I'll leave it up to
you do decide which is which 8-)
Both are nouns!
5:59 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Eric Chomko wrote:
Eric Smith wrote:
oops, preceded
Sellam wrote:
I dunno. I think that in the context where the term "Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective. > No, we stole it from the indigenous peoples
that were here
> when the Pilgrims landed ;)
Wayne M. Smith wrote:
C'mon Sellam, we're all indigenous
peoples -- some of us are just
displaced!
Whenever possible, I indicate on forms that I am a native american.
I've frequently gotten complaints from people over that. I tell them
to look up the words "native" and "american" in the dictionary, and
explain to me how I fail to qualify.
Now I'm not sure about the forms that you've been looking at, but
are you a native American or a Native American?
Eric
P.S. Has Unix's indifference to capitalization fostered a gap in under-
standing within the English Language?
7:34 p.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Eric Chomko wrote:
I dunno. I think that in the context where the term
"Native American"
is, the word "American" is always proceeded by a capitalized adjective.
Now I'm not sure about the forms that you've been looking at, but
are you a native American or a Native American?
Well, to call Native Americans that is to assume that this land was called
"America" before Columbus discovered it for the Europeans. So even the
title "Native American" is improper. I prefer "Indigenous Peoples of this
Land", but it's too long (and annoying) to say.
I coined the term "Indigen" as a good replacement but a friend who is
descended from the indigenous peoples of what is now known as North
America pointed out to me that it sounds too close to "indigent".
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7:52 p.m.
New subject: OT: Indians and such (was Re: Intellectual 'PROPERTY')
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Well, to call Native Americans that is to assume that
this land was called
"America" before Columbus discovered it for the Europeans. So even the
title "Native American" is improper. I prefer "Indigenous Peoples of
this
Land", but it's too long (and annoying) to say.
By the way, this is not original philosophy. I lifted it from a King
Missile song called, "The Indians":
The Indians lived all over this land before we came and killed them.
That was very bad of us.
We thought we needed the land,
But for the most part,
We just ruined it anyway,
And now, nobody can use it.
That's the way we are.
We're pigs.
One of my favorite foods to eat is called corn.
The Indians call it "maize."
We call the Indians "Indians."
This is because Columbus thought he was in India
When he first came to this land.
Some people say we should call the Indians, "Native Americans,"
'Cause they were here in America before us,
But before us,
This land wasn't called "America."
It was named "America" by a mapmaker who never even came here.
He just lived in Europe
And made maps and when he found out about this land,
And put his name on it,
'Cause he could.
That's the way we are.
We're pigs.
As I was writing this,
A cockroach fell from the sky and onto the table.
I killed it,
'Cause I did.
That's the way I am.
This doesn't really have very much to do with the Indians, though.
I guess I got kind of sidetracked.
Anyway, I hope you see my point.
The Indians - King Missile (C) 1991 Atlantic Recording Corporation
;)
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20 Jan
2:54 a.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
I coined the term "Indigen" as a good
replacement but a friend who is
descended from the indigenous peoples of what is now known as North
America pointed out to me that it sounds too close to "indigent".
... so she became indignant?
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New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Indeed.
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I coined the
term "Indigen" as a good replacement but a friend who is
descended from the indigenous peoples of what is now known as North
America pointed out to me that it sounds too close to "indigent".
... so she became indignant? 
9:56 a.m.
New subject: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
Hi,
Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> said:
I coined the term "Indigen" as a good
replacement but a friend who is
descended from the indigenous peoples of what is now known as North
America pointed out to me that it sounds too close to "indigent".
That's pretty much what the French called the natives of North America
- "les indigenes".
Of course they're not *really* indigenous, having walked over from
Eastern Asia :-)
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
19 Jan
19 Jan
6:32 p.m.
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Subject: RE: Intellectual 'PROPERTY'
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Whenever possible, I indicate on forms that I am a
native american.
I've frequently gotten complaints from people over that. I tell them
to look up the words "native" and "american" in the dictionary, and
explain to me how I fail to qualify.
If the question on the form asks for race, I often just answer
"Human". :)
18 Jan
18 Jan
9:21 a.m.
It was thus said that the Great Lawrence Walker once stated:
Reading classiccmp today I wanted to puke. I'm sorry,
I'm with Stallman, fuck the corporate spin-doctors.
In the real world ideas are free and even Bob Dylan was
noted for his free use of others material. "Intellectual
PROPERTY" ? That's a lawyer's and corporate term.
In discussion with another person on this very subject, he (the other
person) wanted to know what the justification was to call it "intellectual
property." He claimed that the law didn't call it such; if he's right or
wrong I do not know, but he did mention Article 1, section 8, clause 7 of
the Constitution:
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
respective writings and discoveries;
Or in other words, a monopoly on their works.
I responded that perhaps instead of calling it "intellectual property" it
might better be called "intellectual monopoly."
-spc (Which it really is ... )
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