1 Oct
2007
1 Oct
'07
12:22 p.m.
I was an early fan of the Todd Fischer's IMSAI II project (www.imsai.net)
and sent off a deposit several years ago. I even offered to review it in
Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar Ink (I'm a friend of Steve's and formerly lived in
Hartford). I understand the problems of a task like re-inventing the IMSAI
and think that I have been more than patient. His website is still active,
he has a copyright date of 2007 on it, and it appears that you can still
order not only an IMSAI II but other items as well.
Unfortunately I have emailed him several times over the past 12-18 months
and haven't had the courtesy of a response. I know he's there - he posts in
comp.os.cpm - but from him to me: nada, zip, zilch, nothing.
Is there anyone else on the list who was as retrospectively foolish as I as
to trust him with a deposit? It doesn't speak much for his ethics if he
advertises and takes orders for non-existent products (who was that guy and
his company that advertised in Kilobaud, among others, back in the '70's
with full page ads for non-existent products? Remember that?). And his
customer service skills are non-existent if he just ignores politely worded
inqueries re: progress on the product.
So, am I the only one still waiting for an IMSAI II?
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
1 Oct
1 Oct
3:36 p.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
I had absolutely the same experience. I paid in full for a machine in march
of 2003. For a year he bs'ed me about how the machine was a few months off.
Then in june of 2004 I asked for my money back. He then went from telling me
how honorable a businessman he was, to lying about sending me a refund, to
no response at all. This man is in my opinion a liar and a fraud if not
worse. DO NOT SEND HIM MONEY NO MATTER WHAT HE CLAIMS HE CAN DO.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Stek
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:22 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
I was an early fan of the Todd Fischer's IMSAI II project (www.imsai.net)
and sent off a deposit several years ago. I even offered to review it in
Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar Ink (I'm a friend of Steve's and formerly lived in
Hartford). I understand the problems of a task like re-inventing the IMSAI
and think that I have been more than patient. His website is still active,
he has a copyright date of 2007 on it, and it appears that you can still
order not only an IMSAI II but other items as well.
Unfortunately I have emailed him several times over the past 12-18 months
and haven't had the courtesy of a response. I know he's there - he posts in
comp.os.cpm - but from him to me: nada, zip, zilch, nothing.
Is there anyone else on the list who was as retrospectively foolish as I as
to trust him with a deposit? It doesn't speak much for his ethics if he
advertises and takes orders for non-existent products (who was that guy and
his company that advertised in Kilobaud, among others, back in the '70's
with full page ads for non-existent products? Remember that?). And his
customer service skills are non-existent if he just ignores politely worded
inqueries re: progress on the product.
So, am I the only one still waiting for an IMSAI II?
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
4:51 p.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
Crap, I should've ordered that replacement top cover when I had
the chance. :-( Does anyone here have a spare top cover for an
original IMSAI 8080?
-Dave
On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, aserlanger at earthlink.net wrote:
I had absolutely the same experience. I paid in full
for a machine
in march
of 2003. For a year he bs'ed me about how the machine was a few
months off.
Then in june of 2004 I asked for my money back. He then went from
telling me
how honorable a businessman he was, to lying about sending me a
refund, to
no response at all. This man is in my opinion a liar and a fraud if
not
worse. DO NOT SEND HIM MONEY NO MATTER WHAT HE CLAIMS HE CAN DO.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-
bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Stek
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:22 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their
deposit?
I was an early fan of the Todd Fischer's IMSAI II project
(www.imsai.net)
and sent off a deposit several years ago. I even offered to review
it in
Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar Ink (I'm a friend of Steve's and formerly
lived in
Hartford). I understand the problems of a task like re-inventing
the IMSAI
and think that I have been more than patient. His website is still
active,
he has a copyright date of 2007 on it, and it appears that you can
still
order not only an IMSAI II but other items as well.
Unfortunately I have emailed him several times over the past 12-18
months
and haven't had the courtesy of a response. I know he's there - he
posts in
comp.os.cpm - but from him to me: nada, zip, zilch, nothing.
Is there anyone else on the list who was as retrospectively foolish
as I as
to trust him with a deposit? It doesn't speak much for his ethics
if he
advertises and takes orders for non-existent products (who was that
guy and
his company that advertised in Kilobaud, among others, back in the
'70's
with full page ads for non-existent products? Remember that?).
And his
customer service skills are non-existent if he just ignores
politely worded
inqueries re: progress on the product.
So, am I the only one still waiting for an IMSAI II?
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
9:38 p.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
I've talked to him several times. Before the Altair kit and
after. Very nice guy. I don't think he has any bad intentions at
all. I will buy one the second they become available. I have no
idea what the situation with them is, but I'd have a hard time
thinking he was trying to defraud people or lie (of course, I have
all my money). He has told me of the money, engineering, and time he
has spent.
Possibly he just isn't a "business" man. That's not a bad thing at
all, we all have our strengths! Engineers aren't good with making
their own due dates... ; ) The Kenbak kit was supposed to be done
by March. I just shipped the first 8 kits a week ago today. ; )
When I started selling kits I decided in the beginning not to collect
money until stuff was ready to ship. I wasn't worried too much about
getting lazy, but it made me look forward to shipping and work
towards that goal.
Grant
At 11:36 AM 10/1/2007, you wrote:
I had absolutely the same experience. I paid in full
for a machine in march
of 2003. For a year he bs'ed me about how the machine was a few months off.
Then in june of 2004 I asked for my money back. He then went from telling me
how honorable a businessman he was, to lying about sending me a refund, to
no response at all. This man is in my opinion a liar and a fraud if not
worse. DO NOT SEND HIM MONEY NO MATTER WHAT HE CLAIMS HE CAN DO.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Stek
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:22 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
I was an early fan of the Todd Fischer's IMSAI II project (www.imsai.net)
and sent off a deposit several years ago. I even offered to review it in
Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar Ink (I'm a friend of Steve's and formerly lived in
Hartford). I understand the problems of a task like re-inventing the IMSAI
and think that I have been more than patient. His website is still active,
he has a copyright date of 2007 on it, and it appears that you can still
order not only an IMSAI II but other items as well.
Unfortunately I have emailed him several times over the past 12-18 months
and haven't had the courtesy of a response. I know he's there - he posts in
comp.os.cpm - but from him to me: nada, zip, zilch, nothing.
Is there anyone else on the list who was as retrospectively foolish as I as
to trust him with a deposit? It doesn't speak much for his ethics if he
advertises and takes orders for non-existent products (who was that guy and
his company that advertised in Kilobaud, among others, back in the '70's
with full page ads for non-existent products? Remember that?). And his
customer service skills are non-existent if he just ignores politely worded
inqueries re: progress on the product.
So, am I the only one still waiting for an IMSAI II?
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost Sols
9:48 p.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
It was written:
(who was that
> guy and
> his company that advertised in Kilobaud, among others, back in the '70's
> with full page ads for non-existent products? Remember that?). And his
> customer service skills are non-existent if he just ignores politely
> worded
> inqueries re: progress on the product.
Well it is hard to find any of the old
magizines on-line like
Kilobaud. Both today are non-existent. :(
2 Oct
2 Oct
9:31 p.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
On 10/1/07, Robert Stek <robert.stek at gmail.com> wrote:
Is there anyone else on the list who was as
retrospectively foolish as I as
to trust him with a deposit? It doesn't speak much for his ethics if he
advertises and takes orders for non-existent products (who was that guy and
his company that advertised in Kilobaud, among others, back in the '70's
with full page ads for non-existent products? Remember that?).
Search for "World Power Systems". I remember those ads and that story
from back in the day.
Here's a couple of references:
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/wps/
http://polaris.umuc.edu/~fbetz/references/Ahl.html
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/1998-November/113422.html
11:23 p.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
Glen Slick wrote:
On 10/1/07, Robert Stek <robert.stek at gmail.com> wrote:
I was wondering if WPS was what was being recollected. There's also Tom
Jennings site for which he usurped (his words) the name, as something of an
ironic homage to that bit of vintage computing
(http://www.wps.com/about-WPS/WPS/index.html#N2). Tom used to be on the list.
Is there anyone else on the list who was as
retrospectively foolish as I as
to trust him with a deposit? It doesn't speak much for his ethics if he
advertises and takes orders for non-existent products (who was that guy and
his company that advertised in Kilobaud, among others, back in the '70's
with full page ads for non-existent products? Remember that?).
Search for "World Power Systems". I remember those ads and that story
from back in the day.
Here's a couple of references:
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/wps/
http://polaris.umuc.edu/~fbetz/references/Ahl.html
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/1998-November/113422.html 
11:40 p.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
On 2 Oct 2007 at 20:23, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> Search for "World Power Systems". I
remember those ads and that story
> from back in the day.
Golly, I remember seeing the 3S+P ad and thinking "those sockets
looked like they're glued to the PC board."
Must've been.
--Chuck
3 Oct
3 Oct
2:10 a.m.
New subject: IMSAI II - still viable OR has anyone else lost their deposit?
On 2 Oct 2007 at 20:23, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> > Search for "World Power Systems". I remember those ads and that
story
> > from back in the day.
Just for the sake of proper attribution, Glen Slick wrote the above and was
the first to recall WPS.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Golly, I remember seeing the 3S+P ad and thinking "those sockets
looked like they're glued to the PC board."
Must've been.
I must go pull out my last remaining copy of Kilobaud and see if it's in there.
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