22 Apr
2009
22 Apr
'09
4 a.m.
I picked up what appears to be a dual-height QBus SCSI card (50-pin
connector, and an NCR 5380 chip), labeled as a TDL-12 from T.D.
Systems. Can't find anything much on the 'net (there was a posting to
classiccmp a few years ago...). Anyone out there have any info on this?
Thanks,
Josh
22 Apr
22 Apr
4:56 a.m.
At 9:00 PM -0700 4/21/09, Josh Dersch wrote:
I picked up what appears to be a dual-height QBus SCSI
card (50-pin
connector, and an NCR 5380 chip), labeled as a TDL-12 from T.D.
Systems. Can't find anything much on the 'net (there was a posting
to classiccmp a few years ago...). Anyone out there have any info
on this?
Thanks,
Josh
IIRC it's a rebadged Viking, can you post a picture? My server is
down right now, but I have a manual for the Viking.
Zane
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5:07 a.m.
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/scsi/td12.png
(Sorry, it's kinda blurry...)
Thanks,
Josh
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:00 PM -0700 4/21/09, Josh Dersch wrote:
I picked up what appears to be a dual-height QBus
SCSI card (50-pin
connector, and an NCR 5380 chip), labeled as a TDL-12 from T.D.
Systems. Can't find anything much on the 'net (there was a posting
to classiccmp a few years ago...). Anyone out there have any info on
this?
Thanks,
Josh
IIRC it's a rebadged Viking, can you post a picture? My server is
down right now, but I have a manual for the Viking.
Zane
5:30 a.m.
At 10:07 PM -0700 4/21/09, Josh Dersch wrote:
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/scsi/td12.png
(Sorry, it's kinda blurry...)
Okay, it's not the board I'm familiar with, so it isn't the one I
have a manual for.
Zane
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6:36 a.m.
Thanks anyway :). I dumped the EPROM on the board and looking at the
strings contained therein, it appears that this particular board is in
fact a SCSI controller that appears to the host system as one or more
RL01/02 drives. Interesting. Now to figure out how to get into the
configuration monitor of this thing...
At the end of the ROM is the following text: "TDL12 K.O.Mair 1.70 (C)
1985,1986 TD Systems." Searching on "K.O.Mair" on google lead me to
"KOM inc" which appears to still be in business, but I'm betting I'm not
going to get anything useful from them :).
Josh
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 10:07 PM -0700 4/21/09, Josh Dersch wrote:
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/scsi/td12.png
(Sorry, it's kinda blurry...)
Okay, it's not the board I'm familiar with, so it isn't the one I have
a manual for.
Zane
8:49 a.m.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Josh Dersch <derschjo at mail.msu.edu> wrote:
Thanks anyway :). ?I dumped the EPROM on the board and
looking at the
strings contained therein, it appears that this particular board is in fact
a SCSI controller that appears to the host system as one or more RL01/02
drives.
Nice job there.
?Interesting. ?Now to figure out how to get into the
configuration
monitor of this thing...
I have a Dialog DQ614. It presents an ST506/ST412 drive as a series
of RL02 "drives". It does not have an onboard configurator; you have
to run an RT-11 app to set it up. It arrived with a dead Rodime drive
and I haven't had the chance to fiddle with it, but I'm _guessing_ it
saves its config info at the front of the drive since there doesn't
appear to be anything on the board resembling NVRAM (EAROM given its
age). There's a chance your board also requires an external config
utility.
Andromeda stuff, OTOH, has onboard config programs that you talk to
via a serial cable. I haven't configured one of those in 20+ years,
but ISTR it was rather trivial to do. I didn't see an obvious serial
port on your board, but if it had one, it'd likely be a 2x5 0.1" pin
header patch, potentially with one pin missing, a la DLV11J.
-ethan
1:22 p.m.
At 4:49 AM -0400 4/22/09, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Andromeda stuff, OTOH, has onboard config programs that
you talk to
via a serial cable. I haven't configured one of those in 20+ years,
but ISTR it was rather trivial to do. I didn't see an obvious serial
port on your board, but if it had one, it'd likely be a 2x5 0.1" pin
header patch, potentially with one pin missing, a la DLV11J.
OTOH, if this is the 1st Gen. Viking board, configuration could
require a special cab kit. The Viking QDT and variants require a
special cab kit that includes both SCSI and Serial off of the 50-pin
connector. This of course makes life interesting.
Zane
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| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
1:51 p.m.
I made a Viking console cable out of a generic SCSI cable to configure
mine. I can post the pinout when I get home tonight if someone needs it.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:22 AM, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
wrote:
At 4:49 AM -0400 4/22/09, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Andromeda stuff, OTOH, has onboard config
programs that you talk to
via a serial cable. I haven't configured one of those in 20+ years,
but ISTR it was rather trivial to do. I didn't see an obvious serial
port on your board, but if it had one, it'd likely be a 2x5 0.1" pin
header patch, potentially with one pin missing, a la DLV11J.
OTOH, if this is the 1st Gen. Viking board, configuration could
require a special cab kit. The Viking QDT and variants require a
special cab kit that includes both SCSI and Serial off of the 50-pin
connector. This of course makes life interesting.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
2:14 p.m.
I forgot to mention that you don't need the special cable to USE the
card, a normal SCSI cable will do. You only need the cable if you have
to change the stored settings on the card (use disconnect, etc). The
card autoconfigures by default.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Daniel Seagraves <dseagrav at lunar-
tokyo.net> wrote:
I made a Viking console cable out of a generic SCSI
cable to
configure mine. I can post the pinout when I get home tonight if
someone needs it.
On Apr 22, 2009, at 8:22 AM, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com>
wrote:
> At 4:49 AM -0400 4/22/09, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> Andromeda stuff, OTOH, has onboard config programs that you talk to
>> via a serial cable. I haven't configured one of those in 20+ years,
>> but ISTR it was rather trivial to do. I didn't see an obvious
>> serial
>> port on your board, but if it had one, it'd likely be a 2x5 0.1" pin
>> header patch, potentially with one pin missing, a la DLV11J.
>
> OTOH, if this is the 1st Gen. Viking board, configuration could
> require a special cab kit. The Viking QDT and variants require a
> special cab kit that includes both SCSI and Serial off of the 50-
> pin connector. This of course makes life interesting.
>
> Zane
>
>
> --
> | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
> | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
> | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
> +----------------------------------+----------------------------+
> | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
> | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
> | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
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