11 Apr
1998
11 Apr
'98
5:06 a.m.
Yeah, but could such a thing be done on Linux/UNIX OS's? I'm guessing that
you would need a NT server... and I don't like NT servers. I actually had a
NT and Linux server running on the exact same machine, at different times.
NT was harder to handle, and had more crashes just when I needed it most,
with many requests. Also, I had to reboot it 8 times to get it set up with
my video card, but not other cards, altogether, it took 16 reboots, compared
to 1 with Linux. My NT 5.0 beta is showing some signs of hope, but I'll
need a lot more before trusting NT with a hobby list as important as this
one.
Just my 0.02
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard A. Cini <rcini(a)email.msn.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, April 11, 1998 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Thoughts about a Classiccmp private newsgroup
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT), Sam Ismail
<dastar(a)wco.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Richard A. Cini wrote:
IP
Anyway, as part of my Microsoft beta testing,
I belong to a small
group
of "elite" testers. Called ClubWin!, we
have a private administrative
newsgroup that requires a login name and password. Having a ClassicCmp
newsgroup would provide a threaded conversation capability. We could also
hang an e-mail gateway off of the news server to provide e-mail messages
for
those who can't or want to use a newsgroup.
>Give us more details, Richard.
Well, since I wasn't the one who implemented the news server, I'm only
guessing as to its implementation. You can probably hang a NNTP (news)
server off of any Internet-accessible server. The news server has its own address. Bill Whitson could create one off of the
ClassicCmp server at
UofWA, or anyone else here with a free IP address and the approval of the
bosses. You could then also provide an e-mail gateway the news server so
that those who want the newsgroup activity by e-mail can get it.
Authentication is either anonymous or login required. Each of us is
given a login name and password (like rcini and 12345678), which will be
required to logon. From there, your newsreader takes over.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use)
ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
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11 Apr
11 Apr
5:47 a.m.
[Reliability of Windows NT]
I get to play with NT now, as a part of work...
IT STINKS! I forget who here worked at microsoft, but whomever, PLEASE tell
R&D to find a way to make it require reboots less! Every time I make some minor
change, I have to reboot the server. Thank God it's not production yet!
If this was our dial-in server or something else important, I'd be toast by now.
I call NT One-Eyed-Monster. The story:
Customer calls, "I just built a 95 *monster* computer! I bet I can beat a
server!"
Me: "What've you got?"
Customer: "Pentium II!"
Me: "You lose. We have an Alpha. How's it run?"
Cust: "Normal no-eyed-monster."
Me: ??
Cust: "Walks into a wall too often"...
I've come to the conclusion that NT has one eye, it knows where it's headed,
but it still walks into a wall too often...
[And to make it relevant...]
Once the NCR SCSI driver for NetBSD is finished, (It's currently PIO-Only)
I have a MicroVAX 3100 running NetBSD. Will that do as a server?
It's up as long as I keep it up (24-7-365?) at the fast end of a T-1...
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7:57 a.m.
Tim,
Linux generally runs classic news servers such as INN or
CNews+NNTP. Most Linux distro's ship with INN as that is
currently being maintained. I've set up INN sites with full
newsfeeds, thousands of users, and peak usage of +500 concurrent
users... in the BIG News server world this is considered 'dinky.'
Though I haven't done this under Linux I would expect a modern
x86 with plenty of ram should be able to handle the job of a full
feed+bunch o' users, especially now that in kernel disk striping
is available. As for handling a small group like this along with
some ancilliary groups like 'for sale', 'EE', etc., with our
volume I bet a Sun 3 or VAXStation could handle the load of NNTP
Server, Mail Server, and mail to news exploder.
I can't speak to Microsoft NT as a stable News serving platform;
never done that. I can't imagine how it would work without
symbolic links and heirerarchical mount points, but I note that
there _are_ commercial news servers available. However, INN,
Cnews+NNTP, and even the original BNews are still available in
Open Source. As always, YMMV. Though, for something like this I
would _always_ suggest the free alternative first. ;-)
--jmg
From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh>
Subject: Re: Thoughts about a Classiccmp private newsgroup
Yeah, but could such a thing be done on Linux/UNIX OS's? I'm guessing that
you would need a NT server... and I don't like NT servers. I actually had a
NT and Linux server running on the exact same machine, at different times.
NT was harder to handle, and had more crashes just when I needed it most,
with many requests. Also, I had to reboot it 8 times to get it set up with
my video card, but not other cards, altogether, it took 16 reboots, compared
to 1 with Linux. My NT 5.0 beta is showing some signs of hope, but I'll
need a lot more before trusting NT with a hobby list as important as this
one.
Just my 0.02
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