23 Jul
2015
23 Jul
'15
5:27 p.m.
From: Josh Dersch
the seller and I failed to reach an agreement
You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take that
on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy with,
they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable.
I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value of
the item was determined by that to be.... $5. End of story.
Noel
23 Jul
23 Jul
6:08 p.m.
I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer, leave it
to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price
until a sale is made. That said, because you're asking for the item
to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a
Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because
that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century
Mexican history.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
--
Bill
vintagecomputer.net
From: Josh
Dersch
the seller and I failed to reach an agreement
You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take that
on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy with,
they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable.
I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value of
the item was determined by that to be.... $5. End of story.
Noel 
8:21 p.m.
Just for the record, I hate the methodology below:
Are auctions no longer a valid way to determine value?
I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best
offer, leave it
to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price
until a sale is made.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2015, at 15:08, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best
offer, leave it
to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price
until a sale is made.
That said, because you're asking for the item
to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a
Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because
that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century
Mexican history.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
--
Bill
vintagecomputer.net
From:
Josh Dersch
the seller and I failed to reach an agreement
You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take that
on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy with,
they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable.
I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value of
the item was determined by that to be.... $5. End of story.
Noel
8:59 p.m.
obviously not in this case!
On Jul 23, 2015 8:21 PM, "Ian Finder" <ian.finder at gmail.com> wrote:
Just for the record, I hate the methodology below:
Are auctions no longer a valid way to determine value?
I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with
best offer, leave it
to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price
until a sale is made.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 23, 2015, at 15:08, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with
best offer, leave it
to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price
until a sale is made.
That said, because you're asking for the
item
to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a
Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because
that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century
Mexican history.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
>> From: Josh Dersch
>
>> the seller and I failed to reach an agreement
>
> You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't
take
that
> on board, and in return come to some
agreement that you could be happy
with,
> they're being some combinations of greedy
and unreasonable.
>
> I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the
value of
the item
was determined by that to be.... $5. End of story.
Noel
--
Bill
vintagecomputer.net 
9:14 p.m.
Another thing that will affect the value here that I don't think has
been pointed out yet: the seller apparently has three of these things
(note his responses to bidder questions.)
And another another thing: they've also been sitting outside for who
knows how many years.
24 Jul
24 Jul
3:27 p.m.
tor 2015-07-23 klockan 18:08 -0400 skrev william degnan:
I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best
offer, leave it
to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price
until a sale is made. That said, because you're asking for the item
to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a
Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because
that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century
Mexican history.
Running a dutch auction ?
Start with a very high prize and then lower it in increments.
The first bidder who accepts the current valuation gets it.
23 Jul
23 Jul
6:12 p.m.
It is always hard to know the real story. It *is* possible the seller
genuinely didn't know what they were doing. I know I can be too willing to
give others the benefit of the doubt, and, equally this could be an
experienced seller pretending not to know, when his plan to avoid higher
insertion fees failed. I would be inclined to report him if he wasn't
prepared to accept an offer that was (presumably) more generous than the
final bid.
Regards
Rob
On 23 July 2015 at 22:27, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
From: Josh
Dersch
the seller and I failed to reach an agreement
You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take
that
on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy
with,
they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable.
I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value
of
the item was determined by that to be.... $5. End of story.
Noel
6:17 p.m.
different than chromatix, correct?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Jarratt RMA
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
It is always hard to know the real story. It *is*
possible the seller
genuinely didn't know what they were doing. I know I can be too willing to
give others the benefit of the doubt, and, equally this could be an
experienced seller pretending not to know, when his plan to avoid higher
insertion fees failed. I would be inclined to report him if he wasn't
prepared to accept an offer that was (presumably) more generous than the
final bid.
Regards
Rob
On 23 July 2015 at 22:27, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> > From: Josh Dersch
>
> > the seller and I failed to reach an agreement
>
> You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take
> that
> on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy
> with,
> they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable.
>
> I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value
> of
> the item was determined by that to be.... $5. End of story.
>
> Noel
>
--
Bill
vintagecomputer.net
6:27 p.m.
It is always hard to know the real story. It *is*
possible the seller
genuinely didn't know what they were doing.
As an Ebay veteran, I can say I have heard ALL the excuses. This does
sound like classic sellers remorse.
If he really though it was worth serious money, he should have been
more careful, and figured out AND REVIEWED his actions placing the
thing on Ebay.
--
Will
6:49 p.m.
On 07/23/2015 03:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
I agree with this. I've seen cases where someone cleaned out a basement
and turned up a really valuable musical instrument, put it up for
auction, then refused to honor the hammer price. It also happens that
the seller will sometimes claim that the item was stolen or damaged or
even lost in shipping to get out of the deal. Often, someone will
contact the seller and make a private offer. Then, suddenly, the item
becomes "not available". I thought that one of the eBay rules was that
a seller can cancel the auction only before a qualified bid (i.e. one
that meets the reserve, if any) has been received.
Didn't eBay used to (perhaps still does) say that "Your bid is a
contract". Well, contracts can't be one-sided.
--Chuck
It is always
hard to know the real story. It *is* possible the seller
genuinely didn't know what they were doing.
As an Ebay veteran, I can say I have heard ALL the excuses. This does
sound like classic sellers remorse.
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