Hi All, Just something I noticed the other day. A school that I help with radio stuff (yeah I'm a ham) just got a set of the new lego mindstorm bits and pieces. And I noticed their little serial leads seem to use the same almost RJ-12 style connector with the offset clip. I haven't double checked but it seems that someone else is using the connector that I have a battered version. Take Care and 7 3 ~Ivy -- VK3IVY http://radio.carnagevisors.net