4 Jun
2013
4 Jun
'13
7:28 p.m.
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
On 06/04/2013 02:01 PM, Ken Seefried wrote:
Perhaps in the sense that you got to my note and hit 'reply', but a rant
about patching embedded systems, out-of-tree development and how everyone
in management is stupid doesn't strike me as a reply to NetBSD dropping
803886 support because no one stepped up to take on the task. If that's a
direct response, then all I can do is avoid eye contact, back slowly away
and repeat "there's still no one, before or after support was dropped, for
all the years that anyone could, who's taken on the job of keeping it in
the tree, and that's the only reason it doesn't exist". I'm sure
you'll
find reason to dispute that, but I don't see taking the time to puzzle out
the entrails of your inevitable reply for actual meaning.
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at
neurotica.com>
Actually it was.
One would reasonably think so, but it generally
doesn't work out that
way.
[rant deleted]
I'm not sure what you are responding to with this, but it's certainly not
related to what I wrote. P.S. - While I
get it's your standard dismissive
line,
It certainly isn't; I'd not treat you in that manner. That's why I
explained my point of view.
it's a bad assumption that I don't have
extensive experience with
embedded systems and production operations.
Likewise.
5 Jun
5 Jun
8:09 a.m.
On 06/04/2013 10:28 PM, Ken Seefried wrote:
Actually it was.
Perhaps in the sense that you got to my note and hit 'reply', but a rant
about patching embedded systems, out-of-tree development and how everyone
in management is stupid doesn't strike me as a reply to NetBSD dropping
803886 support because no one stepped up to take on the task.
The issue you clearly missed, though, is that the task of maintaining 80386
support won't be picked up by the people who are using it, because they're
typically big companies. Big companies who are using free OSs generally
(GENERALLY) don't publicly/visibly contribute back to them.
For a long time, one of NetBSD's early core members made a lot of money
To be fair, you have a lot of standard dismissive lines: for Windows users,
for people who don't much care about what processor their tool works on,
for programmers who use a programming language you don't approve of, for
management and a cornucopia of other ones. It is hard to keep track, but
this is pretty clearly the one for people who you think don't understand
embedded systems. We've seen it a lot in this thread.
Yes I do. You've managed to identify most of them, although somewhat
imprecisely...that's apparently how YOU express dismissivity, which is fine.
It's a good technique.
It is no secret that I'm pretty loud about stuff. This is because I very
firmly do not believe in "tolerance". I don't eat at McDonald's, I
don't
shop at Wal*Mart, I don't use Microsoft Windows, I don't use cheap Chinese
hand tools, and I don't spend memory like it's infinite when I'm writing
code. I believe in doing things right, and if you (the hypothetical "you",
not specifically "you", Ken) don't, then you suck, and I have no problem
telling you so.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
One would
reasonably think so, but it generally doesn't work out that
way.
[rant deleted]
I'm not sure what you are responding to with this, but it's certainly not
related to what I wrote. from large corporations by customizing NetBSD for their
embedded
applications, which were (as I understand it) usually digital cameras.
Those
companies generally don't want people to know what they're using (not sure
why, possibly to deter "hacking" attempts?) and as such, aren't terribly
public about it. This extends to donating code maintenance time. This is
why the lack of anyone stepping up to maintain it is a poor indicator of
whether or not anyone is using it.
That was my point. I apologize if I presented it less-than-clearly yesterday.
If that's a
direct response, then all I can do is avoid eye contact, back slowly away
and repeat "there's still no one, before or after support was dropped, for
all the years that anyone could, who's taken on the job of keeping it in
the tree, and that's the only reason it doesn't exist". I'm sure
you'll
find reason to dispute that, but I don't see taking the time to puzzle out
the entrails of your inevitable reply for actual meaning.
Somebody's got some free time today.
P.S. - While I get it's your standard dismissive
line,
It certainly isn't; I'd not treat you in that manner. That's why I
explained my point of view.
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