14 Oct
2005
14 Oct
'05
5:11 p.m.
Subject: Re: Releasing OS/2
From: woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:14:24 -0600
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at
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Allison wrote:
My original intent was limited to OSs that were operable on PCs. If
there is OS/9 for PC then by all means but I'd suspect comparison would
be to unix/linux rather than Dos/win.
While I'd not mind seeing that I have no real 6809 hardware other than
a COCO-II that is sans case. Found it on the side of the road with smashed
case but fully intact and operable.
While 1+ing the question we can add 8bit multitasking for Z80 other than
MP/M to look at.
Allison
What I'd like to see is a comparison of OS/2 to say DRI Concurrent386
and Win3.1 or Nt3. I picked the latter two as I know them well. I have
both concurrent386 and OS/warp 3 but never used them. Maybe I'm missing
something and I'd like to have an idea of and how practical their use
would be in the present as part of my PC based supporting systems.
Lets not forget OS/9 for the 6809 , just for a reality check of
multi-tasking. 
14 Oct
14 Oct
5:21 p.m.
Allison wrote:
My original intent was limited to OSs that were
operable on PCs. If
there is OS/9 for PC then by all means but I'd suspect comparison would
be to unix/linux rather than Dos/win.
Circuit Cellar had a Z8000 and on card for the PC once. Does anybody
remember
just what it ran? Other than 386's was there any other add on cards for
the PC?
While I'd not mind seeing that I have no real 6809
hardware other than
a COCO-II that is sans case. Found it on the side of the road with smashed
case but fully intact and operable.
While 1+ing the question we can add 8bit multitasking for Z80 other than
MP/M to look at.
6 p.m.
Circuit Cellar had a Z8000 and on card for the PC
once. Does anybody
remember
just what it ran? Other than 386's was there any other add on cards for
the PC?
I assume you mean add-on cards with general-purpose programmable
processors on them (to list _all_ the ISA cards ever made would take more
storage than I have on this machine :-))
There were certauinly :
Transputer (both all-on-one cards (host adapater + transputer + RAM) and
TRAM motherboards)
68000 (and probably 68020, etc)
6502 (Apple ][ emulators)
ARM
Various DSPs (I've seen 56000 and TMS32025 ones)
Does the TMS34010 graphics processor count? (It's a general enough
processor that at least one stand-alone Xterminal ran the Xserver on it).
There was a ISA card with that on too.
I would be suprised if nobody had ever made a 32016 or Z80 card for the PC.
-tony
7:06 p.m.
woodelf wrote:
Circuit Cellar had a Z8000 and on card for the PC
once.
It was called the Trump Card, and was described by
Steve Ciarcia in the May and June 1984 issues of
Byte.
Does anybody remember just what it ran?
It had a clone of the MS-DOS BASICA, called TBASIC.
It claimed to run BASICA programs on the Z8000, much
faster than they ran on the 8088. There was also a
C compiler, a Z80 emulator that ran CP/M, a RAM disk
for MS-DOS, a debugger and a language compiler
called Y. The article ends with a claim that UNIX
will be available for the board.
Other than 386's was there any other add on cards
for
the PC?
There was the Definicon board for the PC with a National
Semiconductor 32000 chip on it. Also decribed in Byte,
a few years after the Trump Card.
--
John Honniball
coredump at gifford.co.uk
15 Oct
15 Oct
4:09 a.m.
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:06:17 +0100, John Honniball wrote:
Definicion did both a 68020 and a NS32032 addon card,
they both did not have a "real" operating system. In addition
to the runtime environment on PC side, they had some native
libraries available, which supported the basic I/O stuff, for the
rest, you were on your own ...
Opus Systems made some PC add on cards as well (with NS32032/NS32332
and at least one variant with a SUN Sparc processor !), they included a
complete Unix operating system ...
... there were quite some manufacturers "in the good times", that developed
such solutions.
I already own some of those boards, but i'm still interested in such PC add-on board
stuff, so if you have one you want to part with, please let me know :)
Ciao Bernd
woodelf wrote:
... but there was no real operating system available.
BTW: i'm still searching for a trump card (tried to get one
for quite some years), maybe some can halp me on this ?
Circuit Cellar had a Z8000 and on card for the PC
once.
It was called the Trump Card, and was described by
Steve Ciarcia in the May and June 1984 issues of
Byte.
Does anybody remember just what it ran?
It had a clone of the MS-DOS BASICA, called TBASIC.
It claimed to run BASICA programs on the Z8000, much
faster than they ran on the 8088. There was also a
C compiler, a Z80 emulator that ran CP/M, a RAM disk
for MS-DOS, a debugger and a language compiler
called Y. The article ends with a claim that UNIX
will be available for the board. Other than 386's was there any other add on
cards for
the PC?
There was the Definicon board for the PC with a National
Semiconductor 32000 chip on it. Also decribed in Byte,
a few years after the Trump Card.
14 Oct
14 Oct
11:23 p.m.
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:21:24 -0600
woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
Allison wrote:
I have a Z-80 card for the PC. I think it's called a 'Blue Lightening.'
My original intent was limited to OSs that were
operable on PCs. If
there is OS/9 for PC then by all means but I'd suspect comparison
would be to unix/linux rather than Dos/win.
Circuit Cellar had a Z8000 and on card for the PC once. Does anybody
remember
just what it ran? Other than 386's was there any other add on cards
for the PC?
11:28 p.m.
just what it
ran? Other than 386's was there any other add on cards
for the PC?
I have a Z-80 card for the PC. I think it's called a 'Blue Lightening.'
15 Oct
15 Oct
4:21 a.m.
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:28:04 -0400 (EDT), William Donzelli wrote:
Quite a few manufacturers made evaluation boards that happened to fit in
PeeCees. For a while I used some OCR software that used an AMD 29K PeeCee
based eval board - probably something that AMD never really intended (and
a damn weird matchup!). I have such an AMD 29K board, but i never got my hands on
software for it ...
... there were some traces of that software on the AMD site, but when asking
details on that, noone could remember ...
Ciao Bernd
just what it ran? Other than 386's was there any
other add on cards
for the PC?
I have a Z-80 card for the PC. I think it's called a 'Blue Lightening.'
14 Oct
14 Oct
6:37 p.m.
On 10/14/2005 at 5:11 PM Allison wrote:
While 1+ing the question we can add 8bit multitasking
for Z80 other than
MP/M to look at.
Molecular was running MT software simply by using a CPU card for each user.
That Durango system (that I'm STILL trying to give away) was designed from
the ground up with MT in mind. Since the 8085 can't do dynamic address
relocation very easily, we simply put the MT facilities in the compiled (to
a sort of P-code) BASIC. File access control and data sharing was a part
of it. Except for the very lowest level system utilities, all programs
were written in it. A 5 MHz 8085 could support 5 users quite comfortably.
Added memory was 1K pages, mapped through 64x9 bipolar RAM.
Cheers,
Chuck
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