1 May
2018
1 May
'18
10:28 a.m.
From: Ali
the real winning price. Basically on second chance he
is offering you
your highest bid price (the one that lost out to the original bad
bidder). What it should really be is if that guy didn't exist what
would have been the winning bid?
Good point. That _is_ a bad sign. The seller might not have thought it
through (they do after all only have a feedback of 50, so they don't have
that much experience), and maybe they just made a mistake. But it might be a
scammer/shill who used a high shill bid to find out your top.
(And maybe the 'only use eBait comms' thing was just a double bank shot to
take in people like me...'he says that so he must be honest').
Noel
1 May
1 May
11:04 a.m.
I never take second chance bids, even on items I really want. In most cases, the seller
put the item up again. I do not bid on that item again.
I bid once at the beginning to show interest but with a minimal bid. I bid as late as I
feel practical with my real bid.
Also, be careful, second chance bids have to go through ebay, not directly to the seller.
I've had shill bids on a $9 item. The reason I know is because the bid went to $6 over
my bid and then a third bid I didn't get to see ( it seems ebay removes withdrawn bids
).
Two weeks later the seller put the same item up for sale.
Early in my ebay days, I bid higher on an item than I expected anyone to bid. The item was
then bid up by another bidder. I was informed by the seller that I could buy the item at
my high bid as a second chance. I came back with a compromise amount. They told me that I
was required to pay my high bid. So, I decided to look at other auctions by this seller (
this was went you could still do some research into things). I found that there were two
different ( in name only ) bidders that bid on almost every item that seller had. This
seller sold everything except kitchen sinks. I turned them into ebay but ebay told me that
my method of detecting shill bidders was not as good as their computer monitoring method.
Ha! Then why was this going on for such a long time? One can not do that level of checking
anymore.
Dwight
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Subject: Re: Is This A Shill?
From: Ali
the real winning price. Basically on second chance he
is offering you
your highest bid price (the one that lost out to the original bad
bidder). What it should really be is if that guy didn't exist what
would have been the winning bid?
Good point. That _is_ a bad sign. The seller might not have thought it
through (they do after all only have a feedback of 50, so they don't have
that much experience), and maybe they just made a mistake. But it might be a
scammer/shill who used a high shill bid to find out your top.
(And maybe the 'only use eBait comms' thing was just a double bank shot to
take in people like me...'he says that so he must be honest').
Noel
11:25 a.m.
One simple technique:
ShillA bids a ridiculously high bid. That advances the auction to one
increment past your highest. That ridiculously high bid is withdrawn.
ShillB, now knowing your high bid, bids one increment or less below your
high bid.
You "win" at your high bid.
ShillA and ShillB could be the same person. If the current bids are in
the $200s, if the ridiculously high bid has an extra zero at the end, eBay
is likley to believe that $2400 was a MISTAKE, and was intended to be
$240.
The other common technique:
ShillA simply bids competitive bids. If ShillA accidentally wins, then
the bid is withdrawn, as a "mistake", and the seller offers you the item
"second chance" for your now-revealed high bid, instead of the highest
that it had gotten to before ShillA's "mistake".
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