2 Jul
2004
2 Jul
'04
5:09 a.m.
I have a large multi-tier printer stand on casters that I use for my HP
logic analyzer setup. 1631D analyzer, 9122 dual floppy drive, 2225 printer,
probe hangers, etc. It's nice to have on that stand because I can roll it
around the work area from system to system easily.
I would like to put a computer on that stand too, that has HP-IB interface
(all the gear above is HP-IB). The primary purpose of the computer is to
interface to the logic analyzer, but I will also use it for interfacing to
my Data I/O programmer, various DOS programs like IC stat lookup, etc.
My problem is I'm not that familiar with HP DOS machines. I have particular
requirements for this and I'm not sure what model to look for. Perhaps those
familiar with HP's DOS machine lineage can suggest a machine I should look
for. Here's the criteria:
1) It has to be an HP. My TI3100 would look out of place with all the HP
gear on the rack :)
2) It has to allow putting an 8 bit ISA HP-IB card in it (or dare I say
already support HP-IB)
3) It really needs 1mb of RAM for some of the programs I want to run on it.
4) DOS version needs to be 5.0 or better, would be nice if I could use the
free DR-DOS
5) It would have to have an external serial port
6) I would like to get it on the wireless network. I was thinking of using
the zircom parallel port adapter I have, and then getting an ethernet to
wireless bridge. Of course, I have to find DOS TCP/IP drivers for the
zircom, if such a thing exists. I'm open to options here.
7) Vertical space is a premium on the rack, so I would prefer something
without a full-size monitor, preferrably an all-in-one unit rather than
separate cpu, keyboard, monitor, etc.
8) Would need at least 40mb hard disk.
9) Need a somewhat standard size keyboard (this rules out my 200LX).
So far from my looking around, the HP 110 seems very close to what I'd want.
The small vertical height of the screen is a big plus, but, I really have to
have 80x24. Plus the 110 seems to be stuck with 256k ram and only DOS 2.11.
I would LOVE to use my HP-85 for this, but alas, it isn't going to be
running promlink anytime soon. Can anyone suggest a vintage PC machine for
this purpose?
Thanks!
Jay West
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2 Jul
2 Jul
9:49 a.m.
At 09:09 AM 7/2/04 -0500, you wrote:
I have a large multi-tier printer stand on casters that
I use for my HP
logic analyzer setup. 1631D analyzer, 9122 dual floppy drive, 2225 printer,
probe hangers, etc. It's nice to have on that stand because I can roll it
around the work area from system to system easily.
I would like to put a computer on that stand too, that has HP-IB interface
(all the gear above is HP-IB). The primary purpose of the computer is to
interface to the logic analyzer, but I will also use it for interfacing to
my Data I/O programmer, various DOS programs like IC stat lookup, etc.
My problem is I'm not that familiar with HP DOS machines. I have particular
requirements for this and I'm not sure what model to look for. Perhaps those
familiar with HP's DOS machine lineage can suggest a machine I should look
for. Here's the criteria:
1) It has to be an HP. My TI3100 would look out of place with all the HP
gear on the rack :)
2) It has to allow putting an 8 bit ISA HP-IB card in it (or dare I say
already support HP-IB)
3) It really needs 1mb of RAM for some of the programs I want to run on it.
4) DOS version needs to be 5.0 or better, would be nice if I could use the
free DR-DOS
5) It would have to have an external serial port
6) I would like to get it on the wireless network. I was thinking of using
the zircom parallel port adapter I have, and then getting an ethernet to
wireless bridge. Of course, I have to find DOS TCP/IP drivers for the
zircom, if such a thing exists. I'm open to options here.
7) Vertical space is a premium on the rack, so I would prefer something
without a full-size monitor, preferrably an all-in-one unit rather than
separate cpu, keyboard, monitor, etc.
8) Would need at least 40mb hard disk.
9) Need a somewhat standard size keyboard (this rules out my 200LX).
So far from my looking around, the HP 110 seems very close to what I'd want.
The small vertical height of the screen is a big plus, but, I really have to
have 80x24. Plus the 110 seems to be stuck with 256k ram and only DOS 2.11.
I would LOVE to use my HP-85 for this, but alas, it isn't going to be
running promlink anytime soon. Can anyone suggest a vintage PC machine for
this purpose?
Let's see. #2 will require a PC clone and you can't add an ISA card to a
HP-110 so it's out. #6 rules out things like HP-85s and the like. I can't
think of any HP machine that has an intregrated display that also has ISA
slots. MY suggestion would be to use an HP Intregral PC! But no wireless
networking for that one uneless you can find something that works via the
seriel port. Since it's HP-UX you also can't use any programs written for
PCs. Another suggestion is a Compaq Portable-III or Portable 386 with the
ISA expansion pod on the back but that's not an HP product. The only HP
computer that comes close is one of the older Vectras but they use regular
CGA/EGA/VGA monitors. You could use one of those with a flat LCD monitor. I
think $HP $even $makes $them $now. I suppose something like the Omnibook
430 that I just picked up would work if you put the wireless network card
and HP-IB in PCMCIA slots but PCMCIA HP_IB interfaces are probably
expensive. Have you seen an Omnibook 430? It looks just like a HP-200LX
but it's about twice as big so the keyboard and screen have a decent size.
If you're interested in an old Vectra, I have one that I'm supposed to
pick up later today or tomorrow. It looks like it's in good condition but I
haven't checked it. They use regular PC type components and they're about
13" square and about 7" tall. It's probably an old 286 12Mhz machine but
they work fine. That's what I'm using for my HP HyperViper setup. BTW I do
have the CMOS setup disks for them too.
Joe
2:29 p.m.
Let's see. #2 will require a PC clone and you
can't add an ISA card to a
HP-110 so it's out. #6 rules out things like HP-85s and the like. I can't
think of any HP machine that has an intregrated display that also has ISA
slots. MY suggestion would be to use an HP Intregral PC! But no wireless
networking for that one uneless you can find something that works via the
seriel port. Since it's HP-UX you also can't use any programs written for
Rememebr that the serial port is not standard on the Integral -- HPIB is,
and a couple of HP-HIL ports (actually kludged into one chain) for the
keyboard and mouse). I have yet to find a serial card for my Intergral...
Thrre was a GPIO (parallel, but not PC printer parallel) card for the
Integral, but I've not seen that either.
-tony
7 Jul
7 Jul
2:45 p.m.
New subject: HP Integral serial card
Tony writes:
Rememebr that the serial port is not standard on the
Integral -- HPIB is,
and a couple of HP-HIL ports (actually kludged into one chain) for the
keyboard and mouse). I have yet to find a serial card for my Intergral...
I may have a spare serial card soon ... for cost (about $20) plus
shipping. (I just bought three Integrals (two working, one missing
the power supply inside), and will be receiving them soon.)
--
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sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html
3 Jul
3 Jul
8:51 p.m.
New subject: need 8 mhz vertra!
need 8 mhz vertra!
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: HP DOS computer selection advice sought
a
At 09:09 AM 7/2/04 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a large multi-tier printer stand on casters that I use for my HP
>logic analyzer setup. 1631D analyzer, 9122 dual floppy drive, 2225
printer,
>probe hangers, etc. It's nice to have on that
stand because I can roll it
>around the work area from system to system easily.
>
>I would like to put a computer on that stand too, that has HP-IB
interface
>(all the gear above is HP-IB). The primary purpose
of the computer is to
>interface to the logic analyzer, but I will also use it for interfacing
to
>my Data I/O programmer, various DOS programs like
IC stat lookup, etc.
>
>My problem is I'm not that familiar with HP DOS machines. I have
particular
>requirements for this and I'm not sure what
model to look for. Perhaps
those
>familiar with HP's DOS machine lineage can
suggest a machine I should
look
>for. Here's the criteria:
>
>1) It has to be an HP. My TI3100 would look out of place with all the HP
>gear on the rack :)
>2) It has to allow putting an 8 bit ISA HP-IB card in it (or dare I say
>already support HP-IB)
>3) It really needs 1mb of RAM for some of the programs I want to run on
it.
>4) DOS version needs to be 5.0 or better, would be
nice if I could use
the
>free DR-DOS
>5) It would have to have an external serial port
>6) I would like to get it on the wireless network. I was thinking of
using
>the zircom parallel port adapter I have, and then
getting an ethernet to
>wireless bridge. Of course, I have to find DOS TCP/IP drivers for the
>zircom, if such a thing exists. I'm open to options here.
>7) Vertical space is a premium on the rack, so I would prefer something
>without a full-size monitor, preferrably an all-in-one unit rather than
>separate cpu, keyboard, monitor, etc.
>8) Would need at least 40mb hard disk.
>9) Need a somewhat standard size keyboard (this rules out my 200LX).
>
>So far from my looking around, the HP 110 seems very close to what I'd
want.
>The small vertical height of the screen is a big
plus, but, I really have
to
>have 80x24. Plus the 110 seems to be stuck with
256k ram and only DOS
2.11.
>I would LOVE to use my HP-85 for this, but alas,
it isn't going to be
>running promlink anytime soon. Can anyone suggest a vintage PC machine
for
this purpose?
Let's see. #2 will require a PC clone and you can't add an ISA card to
HP-110 so it's out. #6 rules out things like
HP-85s and the like. I can't
think of any HP machine that has an intregrated display that also has ISA
slots. MY suggestion would be to use an HP Intregral PC! But no wireless
networking for that one uneless you can find something that works via the
seriel port. Since it's HP-UX you also can't use any programs written for
PCs. Another suggestion is a Compaq Portable-III or Portable 386 with the
ISA expansion pod on the back but that's not an HP product. The only HP
computer that comes close is one of the older Vectras but they use regular
CGA/EGA/VGA monitors. You could use one of those with a flat LCD monitor.
I
think $HP $even $makes $them $now. I suppose
something like the Omnibook
430 that I just picked up would work if you put the wireless network card
and HP-IB in PCMCIA slots but PCMCIA HP_IB interfaces are probably
expensive. Have you seen an Omnibook 430? It looks just like a HP-200LX
but it's about twice as big so the keyboard and screen have a decent size.
If you're interested in an old Vectra, I have one that I'm supposed to
pick up later today or tomorrow. It looks like it's in good condition but
I
haven't checked it. They use regular PC type
components and they're about
13" square and about 7" tall. It's probably an old 286 12Mhz machine but
they work fine. That's what I'm using for my HP HyperViper setup. BTW I do
have the CMOS setup disks for them too.
Joe
4 Jul
4 Jul
2:44 a.m.
New subject: need 8 mhz vertra!
What's a Vertra?
Joe
At 10:51 PM 7/3/04 -0700, you wrote:
need 8 mhz vertra!
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: HP DOS computer selection advice sought
a
At 09:09 AM 7/2/04 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a large multi-tier printer stand on casters that I use for my HP
>logic analyzer setup. 1631D analyzer, 9122 dual floppy drive, 2225
printer,
>probe hangers, etc. It's nice to have on
that stand because I can roll it
>around the work area from system to system easily.
>
>I would like to put a computer on that stand too, that has HP-IB
interface
>(all the gear above is HP-IB). The primary
purpose of the computer is to
>interface to the logic analyzer, but I will also use it for interfacing
to
>my Data I/O programmer, various DOS programs
like IC stat lookup, etc.
>
>My problem is I'm not that familiar with HP DOS machines. I have
particular
>requirements for this and I'm not sure
what model to look for. Perhaps
those
>familiar with HP's DOS machine lineage
can suggest a machine I should
look
>for. Here's the criteria:
>
>1) It has to be an HP. My TI3100 would look out of place with all the HP
>gear on the rack :)
>2) It has to allow putting an 8 bit ISA HP-IB card in it (or dare I say
>already support HP-IB)
>3) It really needs 1mb of RAM for some of the programs I want to run on
it.
>4) DOS version needs to be 5.0 or better,
would be nice if I could use
the
>free DR-DOS
>5) It would have to have an external serial port
>6) I would like to get it on the wireless network. I was thinking of
using
>the zircom parallel port adapter I have, and
then getting an ethernet to
>wireless bridge. Of course, I have to find DOS TCP/IP drivers for the
>zircom, if such a thing exists. I'm open to options here.
>7) Vertical space is a premium on the rack, so I would prefer something
>without a full-size monitor, preferrably an all-in-one unit rather than
>separate cpu, keyboard, monitor, etc.
>8) Would need at least 40mb hard disk.
>9) Need a somewhat standard size keyboard (this rules out my 200LX).
>
>So far from my looking around, the HP 110 seems very close to what I'd
want.
>The small vertical height of the screen is a
big plus, but, I really have
to
>have 80x24. Plus the 110 seems to be stuck
with 256k ram and only DOS
2.11.
>I would LOVE to use my HP-85 for this, but
alas, it isn't going to be
>running promlink anytime soon. Can anyone suggest a vintage PC machine
for
this
purpose?
Let's see. #2 will require a PC clone and you can't add an ISA card to
HP-110 so it's out. #6 rules out things like
HP-85s and the like. I can't
think of any HP machine that has an intregrated display that also has ISA
slots. MY suggestion would be to use an HP Intregral PC! But no wireless
networking for that one uneless you can find something that works via the
seriel port. Since it's HP-UX you also can't use any programs written for
PCs. Another suggestion is a Compaq Portable-III or Portable 386 with the
ISA expansion pod on the back but that's not an HP product. The only HP
computer that comes close is one of the older Vectras but they use regular
CGA/EGA/VGA monitors. You could use one of those with a flat LCD monitor.
I
think $HP $even $makes $them $now. I suppose
something like the Omnibook
430 that I just picked up would work if you put the wireless network card
and HP-IB in PCMCIA slots but PCMCIA HP_IB interfaces are probably
expensive. Have you seen an Omnibook 430? It looks just like a HP-200LX
but it's about twice as big so the keyboard and screen have a decent size.
If you're interested in an old Vectra, I have one that I'm supposed to
pick up later today or tomorrow. It looks like it's in good condition but
I
haven't checked it. They use regular PC type
components and they're about
13" square and about 7" tall. It's probably an old 286 12Mhz machine but
they work fine. That's what I'm using for my HP HyperViper setup. BTW I do
have the CMOS setup disks for them too.
Joe
7:30 a.m.
New subject: need 8 mhz vertra!
pardon my bogus typing!
a VECTRA
it was a hp 286 box. there were many models made of this... there was the
vectra, the vectra es 12 and es 8 and others......
We need the one that says Just Vectra on it.
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: need 8 mhz vertra!
What's a Vertra?
Joe
At 10:51 PM 7/3/04 -0700, you wrote:
>need 8 mhz vertra!
>
>Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
>
>Please check our web site at
> http://www.smecc.org
>to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
>buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
>
>address:
>
> coury house / smecc
>5802 w palmaire ave
>glendale az 85301
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: HP DOS computer selection advice sought
>
>
>> At 09:09 AM 7/2/04 -0500, you wrote:
>> >I have a large multi-tier printer stand on casters that I use for my
HP
>> >logic analyzer setup. 1631D analyzer,
9122 dual floppy drive, 2225
>printer,
>> >probe hangers, etc. It's nice to have on that stand because I can roll
it
>> >around the work area from system to
system easily.
>> >
>> >I would like to put a computer on that stand too, that has HP-IB
>interface
>> >(all the gear above is HP-IB). The primary purpose of the computer is
to
>> >interface to the logic analyzer, but I
will also use it for
interfacing
>to
>> >my Data I/O programmer, various DOS programs like IC stat lookup, etc.
>> >
>> >My problem is I'm not that familiar with HP DOS machines. I have
>particular
>> >requirements for this and I'm not sure what model to look for. Perhaps
>those
>> >familiar with HP's DOS machine lineage can suggest a machine I should
>look
>> >for. Here's the criteria:
>> >
>> >1) It has to be an HP. My TI3100 would look out of place with all the
HP
>> >gear on the rack :)
>> >2) It has to allow putting an 8 bit ISA HP-IB card in it (or dare I
say
>> >already support HP-IB)
>> >3) It really needs 1mb of RAM for some of the programs I want to run
on
>it.
>> >4) DOS version needs to be 5.0 or better, would be nice if I could use
>the
>> >free DR-DOS
>> >5) It would have to have an external serial port
>> >6) I would like to get it on the wireless network. I was thinking of
>using
>> >the zircom parallel port adapter I have, and then getting an ethernet
to
>> >wireless bridge. Of course, I have to
find DOS TCP/IP drivers for the
>> >zircom, if such a thing exists. I'm open to options here.
>> >7) Vertical space is a premium on the rack, so I would prefer
something
>> >without a full-size monitor, preferrably
an all-in-one unit rather
than
>> >separate cpu, keyboard, monitor, etc.
>> >8) Would need at least 40mb hard disk.
>> >9) Need a somewhat standard size keyboard (this rules out my 200LX).
>> >
>> >So far from my looking around, the HP 110 seems very close to what I'd
>want.
>> >The small vertical height of the screen is a big plus, but, I really
have
>to
>> >have 80x24. Plus the 110 seems to be stuck with 256k ram and only DOS
>2.11.
>> >I would LOVE to use my HP-85 for this, but alas, it isn't going to be
>> >running promlink anytime soon. Can anyone suggest a vintage PC machine
>for
>> >this purpose?
>> >
>>
>>
>> Let's see. #2 will require a PC clone and you can't add an ISA card
to
>a
>> HP-110 so it's out. #6 rules out things like HP-85s and the like. I
can't
>> think of any HP machine that has an
intregrated display that also has
ISA
>> slots. MY suggestion would be to use an HP
Intregral PC! But no
wireless
>> networking for that one uneless you can find
something that works via
the
>> seriel port. Since it's HP-UX you also
can't use any programs written
for
>> PCs. Another suggestion is a Compaq
Portable-III or Portable 386 with
the
>> ISA expansion pod on the back but that's
not an HP product. The only HP
>> computer that comes close is one of the older Vectras but they use
regular
>> CGA/EGA/VGA monitors. You could use one of
those with a flat LCD
monitor.
>I
>> think $HP $even $makes $them $now. I suppose something like the
Omnibook
>> 430 that I just picked up would work if you
put the wireless network
card
>> and HP-IB in PCMCIA slots but PCMCIA HP_IB
interfaces are probably
>> expensive. Have you seen an Omnibook 430? It looks just like a
HP-200LX
>> but it's about twice as big so the
keyboard and screen have a decent
size.
>>
>> If you're interested in an old Vectra, I have one that I'm supposed
to
>> pick up later today or tomorrow. It looks
like it's in good condition
but
>I
>> haven't checked it. They use regular PC type components and they're
about
>> 13" square and about 7" tall.
It's probably an old 286 12Mhz machine
but
>> they work fine. That's what I'm using
for my HP HyperViper setup. BTW I
do
have the CMOS setup disks for them too.
Joe
2 Jul
2 Jul
2:20 p.m.
So far from my
looking around, the HP 110 seems very close to what I'd want.
The small
vertical height of the screen is a big plus, but, I really have to
have 80x24. Plus the 110 seems to be stuck with 256k ram and only DOS 2.11. 
5 Jul
5 Jul
5:43 a.m.
An HP21MX running HP-IPL/OS with the HPIB extensions loaded, using a 59310B
interface board.
This allows rapid, interactive development of HPIB command sequences
with grreater ease
than using RTE-IVB or RTE-6VM.
Jay West wrote:
I have a large multi-tier printer stand on casters that
I use for my HP
logic analyzer setup. 1631D analyzer, 9122 dual floppy drive, 2225 printer,
probe hangers, etc. It's nice to have on that stand because I can roll it
around the work area from system to system easily.
I would like to put a computer on that stand too, that has HP-IB interface
(all the gear above is HP-IB). The primary purpose of the computer is to
interface to the logic analyzer, but I will also use it for interfacing to
my Data I/O programmer, various DOS programs like IC stat lookup, etc.
My problem is I'm not that familiar with HP DOS machines. I have particular
requirements for this and I'm not sure what model to look for. Perhaps those
familiar with HP's DOS machine lineage can suggest a machine I should look
for. Here's the criteria:
1) It has to be an HP. My TI3100 would look out of place with all the HP
gear on the rack :)
2) It has to allow putting an 8 bit ISA HP-IB card in it (or dare I say
already support HP-IB)
3) It really needs 1mb of RAM for some of the programs I want to run on it.
4) DOS version needs to be 5.0 or better, would be nice if I could use the
free DR-DOS
5) It would have to have an external serial port
6) I would like to get it on the wireless network. I was thinking of using
the zircom parallel port adapter I have, and then getting an ethernet to
wireless bridge. Of course, I have to find DOS TCP/IP drivers for the
zircom, if such a thing exists. I'm open to options here.
7) Vertical space is a premium on the rack, so I would prefer something
without a full-size monitor, preferrably an all-in-one unit rather than
separate cpu, keyboard, monitor, etc.
8) Would need at least 40mb hard disk.
9) Need a somewhat standard size keyboard (this rules out my 200LX).
So far from my looking around, the HP 110 seems very close to what I'd want.
The small vertical height of the screen is a big plus, but, I really have to
have 80x24. Plus the 110 seems to be stuck with 256k ram and only DOS 2.11.
I would LOVE to use my HP-85 for this, but alas, it isn't going to be
running promlink anytime soon. Can anyone suggest a vintage PC machine for
this purpose?
Thanks!
Jay West
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