8 Oct
2002
8 Oct
'02
4:14 p.m.
Hi folks,
I just 'won' an old HP Apollo 700 Series, Model 735/125. Unfortunately, I
don't have ANY information about it - searching HP's website took me to the
service manual, so I know a little bit more about it now.
By searching the web, I've learned that I can use a standard PC-VGA monitor
with the apollo, by soldering (or buying, :-( ) a special cable.
But, a few questions remain:
- Anyone has a PIN-layout for the monitor cable? I know that I have to solder
red to red VGA, red ground to red ground, and so on, but I don't know the
pinout of the VGA connector... Maybe anyone did this before, and can tell
me the correct PIN-to-PIN assignments?!
- Can I use a standard PC keyboard with the Apollo? It just has a so-called
"HPIL"-connector on the back, and I don't have such a keyboard...
- What about a mouse? Unfortunately, I just got the machine, and nothing
else...
- My Apollo doesn't have a standard LAN-connector, just an AUI... But, I saw
it has a EISA slot, and the manual told me that EISA is fully compliat to
ISA (didn't know this before...). So, can I just equip the Apollo with one
of my old ISA Novell/ Eagle-cards? There's an EISA card in the slot, but
this seems to be a Token Ring (it's called a "Ring" card)
Sorry if my questions are a little bit stupid, but I don't know anything
about the machine - just got it from dumpster without any additional
informatins, and thought it would be nice to use it.
Thanks for your help, I'm glad that there is a mailing list dealing with this
systems - thought I've just got > 10kg of old iron, when I start searching
the web, :-)
keep on hackin',
Harald (bofh(a)dh9dat.de)
8 Oct
8 Oct
6:05 p.m.
At 02:34 AM 10/8/02 +0000, you wrote:
Hi folks,
I just 'won' an old HP Apollo 700 Series, Model 735/125. Unfortunately, I
don't have ANY information about it - searching HP's website took me to the
service manual, so I know a little bit more about it now.
By searching the web, I've learned that I can use a standard PC-VGA monitor
with the apollo, by soldering (or buying, :-( ) a special cable.
Yes, as long as the monitor can accept a sync-on-green signal
(not all SuperVGA monitors do).
But, a few questions remain:
- Can I use a standard PC keyboard with the Apollo? It just has a
so-called
"HPIL"-connector on the back, and I
don't have such a keyboard...
No, unfortunately HP-HIL (not HP-IL) keyboards are not compatible
with any PC-style keyboard.
- What about a mouse? Unfortunately, I just got the
machine, and nothing
else...
Ditto... you need an HP-HIL mouse.
- My Apollo doesn't have a standard LAN-connector,
just an AUI... But, I
saw
it has a EISA slot, and the manual told me that EISA
is fully compliat
to
ISA (didn't know this before...). So, can I just
equip the Apollo with
one
of my old ISA Novell/ Eagle-cards? There's an
EISA card in the slot,
but
this seems to be a Token Ring (it's called a
"Ring" card)
The PROM only works with HP cards and some specially-made third-party
cards. Your best bet is to obtain an appropriate transceiver
and plug it in the AUI connector.
The 735/125 is a nice machine; built like a tank and very reliable.
I have one that I still use regularly. You can use
wide scsi (high-voltage differential) drives with it.
You need HP-UX 10.2 for it (though it has been said
that a special installation of HPUX 11 will work in it,
though it is not supported). It would be great if you
found the keyboard and mouse; these are really nice
systems.
I have some more info on this system; please contact me
off the list.
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
16 Oct
16 Oct
5:42 a.m.
Carlos Murillo said:
At 02:34 AM 10/8/02 +0000, you wrote:
Yes, as long as the monitor can accept a sync-on-green signal
(not all SuperVGA monitors do).
And if it does, you can just use a BNC cabe to hook up to BNC terminals on a
PC multisync monitor; or if you don't have one of those, use a 5BNC-HD15 cable
and just hook up the RGB connectors. It'll work, so long as your monitor
supports sync-on-green.
The PROM only works with HP cards and some
specially-made third-party
cards. Your best bet is to obtain an appropriate transceiver
and plug it in the AUI connector.
Definitly. I've looked for EISA cards for my 735's (I have 2), and
failed...they're not so easy to come by.
The 735/125 is a nice machine; built like a tank and
very reliable.
I have one that I still use regularly. You can use
wide scsi (high-voltage differential) drives with it.
Or narrow SCSI! One of the best 735 features is the 2 SCSI busses, 1 narrow
and 1 wide, and the 2 drive sleds you can get for it. My 735/125 has 2 4GB
seagate drives in it on the narrow bus.
BTW, are you sure the wide bus is HVD? I didn't think it was, as HP is always
very careful about labeling things like that and neither the port nor the
terminator that came with it is labeled HVD...but then, I haven't used the
wide bus for anything so I don't know for sure.
You need HP-UX 10.2 for it (though it has been said
that a special installation of HPUX 11 will work in it,
though it is not supported).
HPUX 10.x of any sort...I have 10.20 from June 2001 on my machines...
found the keyboard and mouse; these are really nice
systems.
They're fantastic, I highly recommend getting it working!
I have some more info on this system; please contact me
off the list.
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
- Dan Wright
(dtwright(a)uiuc.edu)
(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
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6:55 a.m.
At 09:44 AM 10/16/02 -0500, you wrote:
always
The 735/125 is
a nice machine; built like a tank and very reliable.
I have one that I still use regularly. You can use
wide scsi (high-voltage differential) drives with it.
Or narrow SCSI! One of the best 735 features is the 2 SCSI busses, 1 narrow
and 1 wide, and the 2 drive sleds you can get for it. My 735/125 has 2 4GB
seagate drives in it on the narrow bus.
BTW, are you sure the wide bus is HVD? I didn't think it was, as HP is very careful about labeling things like that and
neither the port nor the
terminator that came with it is labeled HVD...but then, I haven't used the
wide bus for anything so I don't know for sure.
Yes, it also has narrow SCSI-2 built-in (though the boot PROM doesn't
understand synch negotiation, so any device that you want to boot
from must not start synchronous negotiation by itself).
And yes, the FWSCSI bus (that's how HP labeled it) in this machine
is high-voltage differential (the only differential scheme at the time;
the LVD drives did not exist back then). I know; I have a micropolis
3243WD and two Seagate ST410800WD in mine.
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
11:59 a.m.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Dan Wright wrote:
Definitly. I've looked for EISA cards for my
735's (I have 2), and
failed...they're not so easy to come by.
Crescendo made an FDDI card for HP, that I have one of. It used to be
in one of my 715s, but I recently moved it to the 735/99 I picked up
not so long ago. I'm missing the software for it, though.
BTW, are you sure the wide bus is HVD?
Yes. It's definitely HVD. Same as the later B160 and I'm sure many other
HP 700-series with wide SCSI.
HPUX 10.x of any sort...I have 10.20 from June 2001 on
my machines...
I have 9.01 and 10.01 on my 735.
ok
r.
8 Oct
8 Oct
7:38 p.m.
Harald Husemann wrote:
- Can I use a standard PC keyboard with the Apollo? It just has a so-called
"HPIL"-connector on the back, and I don't have such a keyboard...
- What about a mouse? Unfortunately, I just got the machine, and nothing
else...
I have an Apollo Keyboard and mouse assembly with a 7 pin DIN connector
that looks to be about the same size as the IBM keyboard ... except more
pins :). Let me know if you are interested. Otherwise it will probably
show up at VCF ... or the trash.
7:59 p.m.
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Marvin Johnston wrote:
It's not useful with any of the HP9000 700-series, as it's not HP-HIL
either. I already gave away all my spare HIL keyboards and mice, but I can
keep an eye out for more.
There are four variations of Apollo keyboards. They work on Apollo
DN-series workstations, or HP9000 400-series running DOMAIN (i.e. not
HP-UX).
KBD1 is big and clunky. It's dark colored, with light typewriter keys and
dark function keys. It shipped with the early 'dishwasher' nodes, like the
DN100 and DN400.
KBD2 is low-profile, and has black function keys numbered F1-F8. It
shipped with the DN300.
KBD3 is low-profile, and has grey function keys numbered F0-F9. These
shipped with the DN3000, DN3500, et al. Apparently sometimes it doesn't
work with the X11R4 server.
KBD4 has two alt keys on either side of the space bar, and is the only
keyboard supported if you are running X11R4. It shipped with the HP9000
400-series systems.
Marvin, if your keyboard is any of these besides KBD3, I could use it.
ok
r.
- Can I use a
standard PC keyboard with the Apollo? It just has a so-called
"HPIL"-connector on the back, and I don't have such a keyboard...
- What about a mouse? Unfortunately, I just got the machine, and nothing
else...
I have an Apollo Keyboard and mouse assembly with a 7 pin DIN connector
that looks to be about the same size as the IBM keyboard ... except more
pins :). Let me know if you are interested. Otherwise it will probably
show up at VCF ... or the trash. 
9 Oct
9 Oct
12:06 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 02:34:57AM +0000, Harald Husemann wrote:
I just 'won' an old HP Apollo 700 Series,
Model 735/125.
1. The "Apollo" in the name is only the fart of a
marketing droid.
Apollo was long gone and dead when this machine was build.
The more correct name for this thing is HP 9000 735/125.
It is a HP PA-RISC 7100, 125 MHz based machine, not M68k as the
Apollos. It is a nice machine and the PA-RISC CPUs have a lot of
bang for the MHz. You can run HP-UX, NetBSD or Linux on it:
http://www.parisc-linux.org/
http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/
NetBSD, the OS of my choice, is on the way, but not that far as Linux:
http://www.de.netbsd.org/Ports/hp700/
- Anyone has a PIN-layout for the monitor cable? I
know that I have to solder
red to red VGA, red ground to red ground, and so on, but I don't know the
pinout of the VGA connector...
http://www.hardwarebook.net/
more precise:
http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/av/vga15.html
- Can I use a standard PC keyboard with the Apollo? It
just has a so-called
"HPIL"-connector on the back, and I don't have such a keyboard...
You need a special HP-HIL keyboard and mouse. HP-HIL is a desktop bus
like ADB or USB. The original Apollo keyboards will not fit as they
are not HP-HIL and the 735/125 has no Apollo keyboard connector
(7 pin DIN) like the late HP 9000 300 (400) M68k machines.
- My Apollo doesn't have a standard LAN-connector,
just an AUI...
Get a transceiver from epay or your favorite hardware dealer.
BTW: AUI is a standard LAN-connector. ;-)
it has a EISA slot, and the manual told me that EISA
is fully compliat to
ISA (didn't know this before...). So, can I just equip the Apollo with one
of my old ISA Novell/ Eagle-cards?
PeeCee junk in a precious machine like that,
what a disgusting thought. ;-)
There's an EISA card in the slot, but
this seems to be a Token Ring (it's called a "Ring" card)
What
connector does it have? 7W2?
Harald (bofh(a)dh9dat.de)
Ahhh, Germanien. dh9dat?
Funker?
Ich hab einige HIL Tastaturen über. Da würde ich dir u.U. duchaus eine
für einen kleinen Obulus abgeben...
--
tschüß,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
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