14 May
2018
14 May
'18
7:02 p.m.
I Frankensteined a P/390 together out of a P/325 server and the PCI P/390 card back in the
day.
I assume you do have the LIC for the P/390 card, without which you?re dead in the water.
At least the PCI model wasn?t picky about the disks it used. And I?m pretty sure it?ll
work with whatever the final Warp Server release was (4, maybe?) by which time the native
TCP/IP support was a lot better. It was a nice little machine for its day, although
Hercules is now many times its speed on modern hardware.
I used mine to run VM/CMS and Linux (under VM) quite well.
Adam
14 May
14 May
10:51 p.m.
On Tue, 15 May 2018 at 06:19, Adam Thornton via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
And I?m pretty sure it?ll work with whatever the final
Warp Server
release was (4, maybe?) by which time the native TCP/IP support was a
lot
better.
Warp Server 4.5, I believe. Specifically 4.52 with various fixpacks, IIRC.
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11:29 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Adam Thornton
via cctalk
Sent: 15 May 2018 03:03
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I Frankensteined a P/390 together out of a P/325 server and the PCI P/390
card back in the day.
I am told the PCI card is rather choosy about which servers it will run in. The system
came with most of a P330 as well, but no case.
I assume you do have the LIC for the P/390 card,
without which you?re dead
in the water.
The latest version of the PC support tools simply load it from the P390 Advanced
Diagnostics Disk.
This was the bit I was worried about but it wasn't a problem at all.
At least the PCI model wasn?t picky about the disks it
used. And I?m pretty
sure it?ll work with whatever the final Warp Server release was (4, maybe?)
by which time the native TCP/IP support was a lot better. It was a nice little
machine for its day, although Hercules is now many times its speed on
modern hardware.
It?s the RAID card that?s the problem, and it seems to have always been temperamental. Did
you use RAID in your P/325?
I used mine to run VM/CMS and Linux (under VM) quite well.
I was thinking of trying Linux. I assume you ran Debian?
Adam
Dave
15 May
15 May
8:35 a.m.
On May 14, 2018, at 11:29 PM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm
at gmail.com> wrote:
It is pretty picky. It did not run in a whitebox PC I had at the time, but the PC Server
325 was close enough to its expected host that it was happy. I would guess that any of
the IBM x86 server machines from the right general era would work.
That machine now lives at the Living Computer Museum in Seattle, although I do not know if
they have it available for use.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Adam Thornton
via cctalk
Sent: 15 May 2018 03:03
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I Frankensteined a P/390 together out of a P/325 server and the PCI P/390
card back in the day.
I am told the PCI card is rather choosy about which servers it will run in. The system
came with most of a P330 as well, but no case.
It?s the RAID card that?s the problem, and it seems to have always been temperamental.
Did you use RAID in your P/325?
I don?t think I did. Have you tried just putting a different (OS/2-supported) disk
controller in and just not doing RAID?
I used mine to run VM/CMS and Linux (under VM) quite well.
I was thinking of trying Linux. I assume you ran Debian?
1:29 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Thornton <athornton at gmail.com>
Sent: 15 May 2018 16:35
To: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>; cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
system came with most of a P330 as well, but no case.
It is pretty picky. It did not run in a whitebox PC I had at the time, but the PC
Server 325 was close enough to its expected host that it was happy. I would
guess that any of the IBM x86 server machines from the right general era
would work.
That machine now lives at the Living Computer Museum in Seattle, although I
do not know if they have it available for use.
OK I got a PCI P390 card in the bundle of spares but have nothing PCI server style to run
it in.
Where I worked we binned loads of X330's which might have been usable...
On May 14, 2018, at 11:29 PM, Dave Wade
<dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Adam
Thornton via cctalk
Sent: 15 May 2018 03:03
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I Frankensteined a P/390 together out of a P/325 server and the PCI
P/390 card back in the day.
I am told the PCI card is rather choosy about which servers it will run in. The
It?s the RAID card that?s the problem, and it seems to have always been
temperamental. Did you use RAID in your P/325?
I don?t think I did. Have you tried just putting a different (OS/2-supported)
disk controller in and just not doing RAID?
I used mine to run VM/CMS and Linux (under VM) quite well.
I was thinking of trying Linux. I assume you ran Debian? Adam
1:38 p.m.
On May 15, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
That?s, in effect, what I did. Whilst there were Microchannel IDE Controllers I have
never seen one. There are no IDE interfaces on the "Planar" so every thing must
be on the MCA bus.
So I bought a BusLogic BT646 SCSI card on E-Bay. I also bought an Adaptec card as a
spare. I think I struck lucky with the BT646. It is a simple SCSI/2 card, no raid but it
does have a BIOS with support for two bootable drives and a >4GB drive option.
OS/2 has drivers for it so it works out of the box. The OS/2 boot disks find the drive
and install the proper drivers.
To compensate for the slower "narrow" drives I bought a SCSI2SD card that puts
an SD card on the bus. OS/2 just sees it as a up two four drives depending on how I
configure it. At present I have two 4gb drives. The card in it is 32gb so I can add 2 x
12gb drives or 1 x 24gb or some other mix. The CD ROM sites on the same bus. I haven't
tried the tape drive yet..
Some time ago I acquired a PCI P/390 card (along with the various LIC files). I went down
the same path as you to build a P/390 system with OS/2 but I kept running into problems
with OS/2 versions and supported hardware.
I finally gave up and acquired a PCI based RS/6000 that I?ll install AIX on and have an
R/390. ;-) I haven?t had the time yet to make any progress on it.
But it?s good to know that you?ve managed to do this if I decide to go back and attempt
the PC route again.
TTFN - Guy
2:14 p.m.
On 05/15/2018 02:38 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote:
I finally gave up and acquired a PCI based RS/6000
that I?ll install
AIX on and have an R/390. :-) I haven?t had the time yet to make any
progress on it.
Props for the R/390. I've not heard mention of them in quite a while.
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unix || die
18 May
18 May
1:46 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Sotomayor Jr <ggs at shiresoft.com>
Sent: 15 May 2018 21:39
To: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>; General Discussion: On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
Well I found an XGA2 card in the pile of bits so now I have 1024x768 display resolution. I
have swapped the CDROM for a SCSI DVD drive.
I managed to boot MTS and there are a few pics here:-
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1
next job is to tidy up and re-assemble the case..
Dave
On May 15, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
That?s, in effect, what I did. Whilst there were Microchannel IDE Controllers
I
have never seen one. There are no IDE interfaces on the "Planar" so every
thing must be on the MCA bus.
So I bought a BusLogic BT646 SCSI card on E-Bay.
I also bought an Adaptec
card as a spare. I think I struck lucky with the BT646.
It is a simple SCSI/2 card,
no raid but it does have a BIOS with support for two bootable drives and a
4GB drive option.
OS/2 has drivers for it so it works out of the box. The OS/2 boot disks find
the
drive and install the proper drivers.
To compensate for the slower "narrow"
drives I bought a SCSI2SD card that
puts an SD card on the bus. OS/2 just sees it
as a up two four drives
depending on how I configure it. At present I have two 4gb drives. The card
in it is 32gb so I can add 2 x 12gb drives or 1 x 24gb or some other mix. The CD
ROM sites on the same bus. I haven't tried the tape drive yet..
Some time ago I acquired a PCI P/390 card (along with
the various LIC files). I
went down the same path as you to build a P/390 system with OS/2 but I
kept running into problems with OS/2 versions and supported hardware.
I finally gave up and acquired a PCI based RS/6000 that I?ll install AIX on and
have an R/390. ;-) I haven?t had the time yet to make any progress on it.
But it?s good to know that you?ve managed to do this if I decide to go back
and attempt the PC route again.
TTFN - Guy
1:48 p.m.
I gotta ask, what's the deal with the dangling card? That cracked me up!
Thanks for posting some pics!
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Dave Wade via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 1:46 PM
To: 'Guy Sotomayor Jr'; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts'
Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Sotomayor Jr <ggs at shiresoft.com>
Sent: 15 May 2018 21:39
To: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>; General Discussion: On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
Well I found an XGA2 card in the pile of bits so now I have 1024x768 display resolution. I
have swapped the CDROM for a SCSI DVD drive.
I managed to boot MTS and there are a few pics here:-
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1
[https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/981/27325931687_813922732f_h.jpg]<https://…
P390<https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1>
flic.kr
Explore this photo album by Dave G4UGM on Flickr!
next job is to tidy up and re-assemble the case..
Dave
On May 15, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
That?s, in effect, what I did. Whilst there were Microchannel IDE Controllers
I
have never seen one. There are no IDE interfaces on the "Planar" so every
thing must be on the MCA bus.
So I bought a BusLogic BT646 SCSI card on E-Bay.
I also bought an Adaptec
card as a spare. I think I struck lucky with the BT646.
It is a simple SCSI/2 card,
no raid but it does have a BIOS with support for two bootable drives and a
4GB drive option.
OS/2 has drivers for it so it works out of the box. The OS/2 boot disks find
the
drive and install the proper drivers.
To compensate for the slower "narrow"
drives I bought a SCSI2SD card that
puts an SD card on the bus. OS/2 just sees it
as a up two four drives
depending on how I configure it. At present I have two 4gb drives. The card
in it is 32gb so I can add 2 x 12gb drives or 1 x 24gb or some other mix. The CD
ROM sites on the same bus. I haven't tried the tape drive yet..
![https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/981/27325931687_813922732f_h.jpg]<https://…](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/981/27325931687_813922732f_h.jpg]%3Chttps://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1%3E){kind=link}
Some time ago I acquired a PCI P/390 card (along with
the various LIC files). I
went down the same path as you to build a P/390 system with OS/2 but I
kept running into problems with OS/2 versions and supported hardware.
I finally gave up and acquired a PCI based RS/6000 that I?ll install AIX on and
have an R/390. ;-) I haven?t had the time yet to make any progress on it.
But it?s good to know that you?ve managed to do this if I decide to go back
and attempt the PC route again.
TTFN - Guy
2:30 p.m.
I thought I had captioned that picture. It's the original RAID controller
which I am not using. If I plug it in it starts the disks in the RAID array
which takes ages, and steals the hard disk BIOS vector which I need for the
SCSI card that's running the system.
I didn't want to remove it fully as I need to label the cables feeding it.
One feeds the top drive bays, and the other the bottom so if I ever need to
put it back it I need to know which is which.
If I get some free time I will have a go at starting the disks in it and
repairing the RAID array, and perhaps copy the disks that are installed.
Dave
From: Benjamin Huntsman <BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu>
Sent: 18 May 2018 21:49
To: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>; General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I gotta ask, what's the deal with the dangling card? That cracked me up!
Thanks for posting some pics!
_____
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> > on behalf of Dave Wade via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> >
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 1:46 PM
To: 'Guy Sotomayor Jr'; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts'
Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Sotomayor Jr <ggs at shiresoft.com <mailto:ggs at shiresoft.com> >
Sent: 15 May 2018 21:39
To: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> >;
General Discussion: On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
> On May 15, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> >
wrote:
>
>
> That's, in effect, what I did. Whilst there were Microchannel IDE
Controllers
I have never seen one. There are no IDE interfaces on
the "Planar" so
every
thing must be on the MCA bus.
> So I bought a BusLogic BT646 SCSI card on E-Bay. I also bought an
Adaptec
card as a spare. I think I struck lucky with the
BT646. It is a simple
SCSI/2 card,
no raid but it does have a BIOS with support for two
bootable drives and a
>4GB drive option.
> OS/2 has drivers for it so it works out of the box. The OS/2 boot disks
find
the drive and install the proper drivers.
> To compensate for the slower "narrow" drives I bought a SCSI2SD card
that
puts an SD card on the bus. OS/2 just sees it as a up
two four drives
depending on how I configure it. At present I have two 4gb drives. The
card
in it is 32gb so I can add 2 x 12gb drives or 1 x 24gb
or some other mix.
The CD
ROM sites on the same bus. I haven't tried the
tape drive yet..
Well I found an XGA2 card in the pile of bits so now I have 1024x768 display
resolution. I have swapped the CDROM for a SCSI DVD drive.
I managed to boot MTS and there are a few pics here:-
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1
<https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1>
<https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1> P390
flic.kr
Explore this photo album by Dave G4UGM on Flickr!
next job is to tidy up and re-assemble the case..
Dave
Some time ago I acquired a PCI P/390 card (along with
the various LIC
files). I
went down the same path as you to build a P/390 system
with OS/2 but I
kept running into problems with OS/2 versions and supported hardware.
I finally gave up and acquired a PCI based RS/6000 that I'll install AIX
on
and
have an R/390. ;-) I haven't had the time yet to
make any progress on
it.
But it's good to know that you've managed to do this if I decide to go
back
and attempt the PC route again.
TTFN - Guy
26 May
26 May
1:15 p.m.
Folks,
Well in case any one has the slightest bit of interest, I have now plugged
the RAID card back in and after replacing on of the drive carriers I can get
five of the six drives to spin up. Its now copying stuff to my Buffalo NAS
but as its 10Mbit LAN its not terribly fast. I think the NAS isn't very fast
either. It looks like zipping up the files and FTPing the ZIP files might be
the quickest way to go.
Dave
From: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
Sent: 18 May 2018 22:31
To: 'Benjamin Huntsman' <BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu>; 'General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I thought I had captioned that picture. It's the original RAID controller
which I am not using. If I plug it in it starts the disks in the RAID array
which takes ages, and steals the hard disk BIOS vector which I need for the
SCSI card that's running the system.
I didn't want to remove it fully as I need to label the cables feeding it.
One feeds the top drive bays, and the other the bottom so if I ever need to
put it back it I need to know which is which.
If I get some free time I will have a go at starting the disks in it and
repairing the RAID array, and perhaps copy the disks that are installed.
Dave
From: Benjamin Huntsman <BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu
<mailto:BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu> >
Sent: 18 May 2018 21:49
To: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> >;
General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> >
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I gotta ask, what's the deal with the dangling card? That cracked me up!
Thanks for posting some pics!
_____
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> > on behalf of Dave Wade via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> >
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 1:46 PM
To: 'Guy Sotomayor Jr'; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts'
Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Sotomayor Jr <ggs at shiresoft.com <mailto:ggs at shiresoft.com> >
Sent: 15 May 2018 21:39
To: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com <mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> >;
General Discussion: On-Topic
and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
> On May 15, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> >
wrote:
>
>
> That's, in effect, what I did. Whilst there were Microchannel IDE
Controllers
I have never seen one. There are no IDE interfaces on
the "Planar" so
every
thing must be on the MCA bus.
> So I bought a BusLogic BT646 SCSI card on E-Bay. I also bought an
Adaptec
card as a spare. I think I struck lucky with the
BT646. It is a simple
SCSI/2 card,
no raid but it does have a BIOS with support for two
bootable drives and a
>4GB drive option.
> OS/2 has drivers for it so it works out of the box. The OS/2 boot disks
find
the drive and install the proper drivers.
> To compensate for the slower "narrow" drives I bought a SCSI2SD card
that
puts an SD card on the bus. OS/2 just sees it as a up
two four drives
depending on how I configure it. At present I have two 4gb drives. The
card
in it is 32gb so I can add 2 x 12gb drives or 1 x 24gb
or some other mix.
The CD
ROM sites on the same bus. I haven't tried the
tape drive yet..
Well I found an XGA2 card in the pile of bits so now I have 1024x768 display
resolution. I have swapped the CDROM for a SCSI DVD drive.
I managed to boot MTS and there are a few pics here:-
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1
<https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1>
<https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1> P390
flic.kr
Explore this photo album by Dave G4UGM on Flickr!
next job is to tidy up and re-assemble the case..
Dave
Some time ago I acquired a PCI P/390 card (along with
the various LIC
files). I
went down the same path as you to build a P/390 system
with OS/2 but I
kept running into problems with OS/2 versions and supported hardware.
I finally gave up and acquired a PCI based RS/6000 that I'll install AIX
on
and
have an R/390. ;-) I haven't had the time yet to
make any progress on
it.
But it's good to know that you've managed to do this if I decide to go
back
and attempt the PC route again.
TTFN - Guy
1:39 p.m.
On 05/26/2018 02:15 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
Well in case any one has the slightest bit of
interest, I have now plugged
the RAID card back in and after replacing on of the drive carriers I
can get five of the six drives to spin up. Its now copying stuff to my
Buffalo NAS but as its 10Mbit LAN its not terribly fast. I think the NAS
isn't very fast either. It looks like zipping up the files and FTPing
the ZIP files might be the quickest way to go.
So is the RAID up in a degraded state? Or is it optimal and the other
two disks are spares?
Either way, COOL!!!
It sounds like you're doing some good computer archaeology / preservation.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
2:31 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via
cctalk
Sent: 26 May 2018 21:40
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
On 05/26/2018 02:15 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote:
Its degraded. There are no spares in the config. It did once rebuild the non-operational
drive, but dropped it again very quickly.
IBM recommended running the box from a UPS and never powering it off. I can't really
afford the electricity
Well in case any one has the slightest bit of
interest, I have now
plugged the RAID card back in and after replacing on of the drive
carriers I can get five of the six drives to spin up. Its now copying
stuff to my Buffalo NAS but as its 10Mbit LAN its not terribly fast. I
think the NAS isn't very fast either. It looks like zipping up the
files and FTPing the ZIP files might be the quickest way to go.
So is the RAID up in a degraded state? Or is it optimal and the other two disks
are spares?
Either way, COOL!!!
It sounds like you're doing some good computer archaeology / preservation.
OI think there are plenty of P390 boxes around, and most of the software is
available, but its interesting to a Mainframe OS on real hardware.
The Hercules emulator on a modern (Core i3 or Core I5) PC is much faster than the P390.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
Dave
4 Jun
4 Jun
12:39 a.m.
Either way,
COOL!!!
It sounds like you're doing some good computer archaeology /
preservation.
> OI think there are plenty of P390 boxes around, and
most of the software is
available, but its interesting to a Mainframe OS on real hardware.
The Hercules emulator on a modern (Core i3 or Core I5) PC is much faster
than the P390.
Dave
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
Dave
3:57 a.m.
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 09:40, Dave Wade via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Just to say I now have a bootable copy of the OS on SD
card.
Well done!
I got caught out because OS2 wildcarding works like
UNIX wild carding, not MSDOS wild carding.
So in order to back up the "C" drive you need "XCOPY C:\* ...". I
instinctively used "*.*" which misses out a whole bunch of files, especially
those used by the code page conversion routines.
I did not know that. O_o
Getting a Thinkpad running OS/2 is still on my to-do list...
Whilst it boots cleanly (and quietly). The machine is
noticeably slower on SD card so I think I might have to try a RAID or other fast/wide SCSI
solution once I have good backups of the other drives.
That's very surprising.
Might CF be quicker than SD? CF is a PATA bus, SD is a multiplexed
serial (or nearly) bus, AIUI.
Failing that, there are 2 real-SSD options: either:
[1] PATA SSD -- they still exist but they're relatively expensive.
[2] an MSATA SSD in a PATA convertor. Small MSATA drives are cheap --
I bought 64GB for ~?30 last autumn -- and the convertor cradles are
about a tenner.
That only leaves the problem of getting a PS/2 to talk to IDE... ;-)
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10:38 a.m.
On 5/26/2018 3:15 PM, Dave Wade via cctech wrote:
Folks,
Well in case any one has the slightest bit of interest, I have now plugged
the RAID card back in and after replacing on of the drive carriers I can get
five of the six drives to spin up. Its now copying stuff to my Buffalo NAS
but as its 10Mbit LAN its not terribly fast. I think the NAS isn't very fast
either. It looks like zipping up the files and FTPing the ZIP files might be
the quickest way to go.
Dave
From: Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com>
Sent: 18 May 2018 22:31
To: 'Benjamin Huntsman' <BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu>; 'General
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Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I thought I had captioned that picture. It's the original RAID controller
which I am not using. If I plug it in it starts the disks in the RAID array
which takes ages, and steals the hard disk BIOS vector which I need for the
SCSI card that's running the system.
I didn't want to remove it fully as I need to label the cables feeding it.
One feeds the top drive bays, and the other the bottom so if I ever need to
put it back it I need to know which is which.
If I get some free time I will have a go at starting the disks in it and
repairing the RAID array, and perhaps copy the disks that are installed.
Dave
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Sent: 18 May 2018 21:49
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Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I gotta ask, what's the deal with the dangling card? That cracked me up!
Thanks for posting some pics!
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Subject: RE: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
I used Clonezilla to make an image of my PCI machien with a P/390E card
to a USB drive - but in your case that would, of course, require it to
recognize your RAID array (which it just might, if the BIOS recognizes it).
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Sent: 15 May 2018 21:39
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Subject: Re: Restoring a PC Server 500 P/390
> On May 15, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Dave Wade via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk at classiccmp.org> >
wrote:
>
>
> That's, in effect, what I did. Whilst there were Microchannel IDE
Controllers
I have never seen one. There are no IDE
interfaces on the "Planar" so
every
thing must be on the MCA bus.
> So I bought a BusLogic BT646 SCSI card on E-Bay. I also bought an
Adaptec
card as a spare. I think I struck lucky with the
BT646. It is a simple
SCSI/2 card,
no raid but it does have a BIOS with support for
two bootable drives and a
> 4GB drive option.
> OS/2 has drivers for it so it works out of the box. The OS/2 boot disks
find
the drive and install the proper drivers.
> To compensate for the slower "narrow" drives I bought a SCSI2SD card
that
puts an SD card on the bus. OS/2 just sees it as
a up two four drives
depending on how I configure it. At present I have two 4gb drives. The
card
in it is 32gb so I can add 2 x 12gb drives or 1 x
24gb or some other mix.
The CD
ROM sites on the same bus. I haven't tried
the tape drive yet..
Well I found an XGA2 card in the pile of bits so now I have 1024x768 display
resolution. I have swapped the CDROM for a SCSI DVD drive.
I managed to boot MTS and there are a few pics here:-
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1
<https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1>
<https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc1pkB1> P390
flic.kr
Explore this photo album by Dave G4UGM on Flickr!
next job is to tidy up and re-assemble the case..
Dave
Some time ago I acquired a PCI P/390 card (along
with the various LIC
files). I
went down the same path as you to build a P/390
system with OS/2 but I
kept running into problems with OS/2 versions and supported hardware.
I finally gave up and acquired a PCI based RS/6000 that I'll install AIX
on
and
have an R/390. ;-) I haven't had the time
yet to make any progress on
it.
But it's good to know that you've managed to do this if I decide to go
back
and attempt the PC route again.
TTFN - Guy
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