5 Mar
2020
5 Mar
'20
5:34 p.m.
The short story: COVID-19
More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
Mike
5 Mar
5 Mar
9:30 p.m.
Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there
a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard
work?
Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The short story: COVID-19
More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
Mike
9:40 p.m.
Hello all,
The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be
at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick
just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others.
The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a
mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through
the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay
home.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement
today also. Is there
a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard
work?
Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The short story: COVID-19
>
> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
>
>
> Mike
>
9:49 p.m.
Given that the venue is closed and it is unknown whether it will reopen before the show
date, there is a good reason to reschedule at a minimum.
alan
On Mar 5, 2020, at 21:40, Richard Pope via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
?Hello all,
The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. It is
the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay home. You can also
wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If
you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected
through the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk
wrote:
Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there
a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard
work?
Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The short story: COVID-19
>
> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
>
>
> Mike
>
6 Mar
6 Mar
12:11 a.m.
Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list.
FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical sources.
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hello all,
The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be
at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick
just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others.
The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a
mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through
the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay
home.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
Tough choice and I saw the museum closing
announcement today also. Is there
a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard
work?
Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The short story: COVID-19
>
> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
>
>
> Mike
>
7:48 a.m.
Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer
reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world
health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based
on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good
information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess
that exists in national sources.
Warner
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Please do not try to spread medical advice on a
mailing list.
FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical
sources.
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hello all,
The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be
at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick
just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others.
The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a
mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through
the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay
home.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
> Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is
there
a way to
still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard
work?
Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The short story: COVID-19
>
> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
>
>
> Mike
>
9:50 a.m.
Getting back on topic - VCF PNW 2020 ...
John - thanks for the kind words. The T-shirt is fantastic - I designed it
myself. :-) (You can see the mockup on the website.) I still plan on
sending t-shirts to all of the exhibitors, volunteers and speakers. And
I'll try to do some mail order for people like you who want a great shirt
and want to support us.
I had been talking to museum personnel before the decision was made and
honestly it was a surprise to me. Things changed very quickly after King
County announced guidance asking organizers of large events to consider
cancelling them. The exact words regarding large events were:
"Event and community gathering considerations - If you can feasibly avoid
bringing large groups of people together, consider postponing events and
gatherings."
https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/communicable-diseases/disease-contr…
It was not a public health order. Vulcan, Inc. is erring on the side of
caution and shut the museum down. I had no input or choice in the manner,
and regardless of what I think (positive or negative) it is out of my hands.
I put an incredible amount of time into this event, and have for the last
three years. Right now the mission is to get the word out and try to make
it easier for the people who have been impacted. (Plane tickets, travel
reservations, vacation time, etc.) I chose to cancel than postpone because
we really don't know how far this goes. Perhaps in a few weeks we'll know
more, but there are other considerations too including other events (not
necessarily ours) that we don't want to conflict with.
Thanks for understanding and stay safe ...
Mike
11:02 a.m.
On 3/6/2020 11:50 AM, Michael Brutman via cctalk wrote:
It was not a public health order. Vulcan, Inc. is
erring on the side of
caution and shut the museum down. I had no input or choice in the manner,
and regardless of what I think (positive or negative) it is out of my hands.
I hope you can weather the storm without too much personal hurt. As much
time and effort as you have put into the event and the pride we are have
for such events, this is not a critical event in the grand scheme of
things, but I am sure some people will lash out as if it is/was.? Ignore
them if you can.
I put an incredible amount of time into this event,
and have for the last
three years. Right now the mission is to get the word out and try to make
it easier for the people who have been impacted. (Plane tickets, travel
reservations, vacation time, etc.) I chose to cancel than postpone because
we really don't know how far this goes. Perhaps in a few weeks we'll know
more, but there are other considerations too including other events (not
necessarily ours) that we don't want to conflict with.
I was a bit surprised that it was not a "postponed until further
notice", but postponed versus canceled is probably equivalent in the
short term (people need to deal with plane tickets, unbook hotels, etc.
in the same way)
Jim
12:23 p.m.
Jim - I agree. In the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal. Life
goes on.
On the flip side, this should serve as a reminder for people to sign up and
participate in these events instead of sitting on the fence. Doing things
in real life can require a lot of effort, and those things often suffer
from a lack of participation. When something is
successful people should
savor it because depending on the "something"
there are so many ways for it
to fail. That's true whether it is a computer meetup (small in the grand
scheme of things), a relative making it out of high school or college, or
somebody accomplishing something. Failure is all around us celebrate even
the small things that don't fail. We had two good years and we dodged a
snowstorm by luck. This year we weren't so lucky.
That's today's motivational message. Back to drudge work ...
10:37 a.m.
Hello all,
What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to
say on the subject.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with
citations to peer
reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world
health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based
on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good
information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess
that exists in national sources.
Warner
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list.
> FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical
> sources.
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be
>> at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick
>> just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others.
>> The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a
>> mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through
>> the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay
>> home.
>> GOD Bless and Thanks,
>> rich!
>>
>> On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
>>> Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is
> there
>>> a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard
>>> work?
>>>
>>> Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
>>> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The short story: COVID-19
>>>>
>>>> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
10:45 a.m.
The CDC does *NOT* say that the flu is more of a threat than COVID-19.
Given that it's early in flu season, we cannot yet know which will be more
deadly this year. We're at the left hand side of the exponential curve so
comparisons to prior year's full year data are not valid.
Warner
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:37 AM Richard Pope <mechanic_2 at charter.net> wrote:
Hello all,
What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to
say on the subject.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal,
with citations to peer
reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world
health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice
based
on the accumulated evidence to date and a track
record of providing good
information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess
that exists in national sources.
Warner
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk <
cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list.
> FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical
> sources.
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be
>> at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are
sick
>> just stay home. You can also wear a mask
and that will protect others.
>> The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing
a
>> mask is a waste of money and resources
for you can be infected through
>> the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please
stay
>> home.
>> GOD Bless and Thanks,
>> rich!
>>
>> On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
>>> Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is
> there
>>> a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks'
hard
>>> work?
>>>
>>> Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
>>> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The short story: COVID-19
>>>>
>>>> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
12:42 p.m.
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
This was becoming a train wreck until this. Made my day. :D
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Hello all,
What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on
the subject.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
Hooray for Cult of the Dead Cow!!
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11:51 a.m.
On 2020-03-06 1:37 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Hello all,
??? What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to
say on the subject.
Good.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal,
with citations to peer
reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world
health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based
on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good
information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess
that exists in national sources.
Warner
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list.
> FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical
> sources.
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> ????? The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be
>> at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are
>> sick
>> just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others.
>> The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick
>> wearing a
>> mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through
>> the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please
>> stay
>> home.
>> GOD Bless and Thanks,
>> rich!
>>
>> On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
>>> Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is
> there
>>> a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks'
>>> hard
>>> work?
>>>
>>> Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk <
>>> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The short story: COVID-19
>>>>
>>>> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
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