25 Oct
2002
25 Oct
'02
11:27 a.m.
Hi,
It may sound a bit offtopic, but it's near the 10yrs margin :-)
I have an external 28.8 Supra FAX modem, the one with the 2 digit green LED display.
It's never flashed, and contains one of the very early firmware versions. I recall
that Supra had an extensive file list (including manuals in PDFs) for downloading at
supra's site, then moved to Diamond, then nothing, they vanished.
Could anybody help me locate a mirror of these files? I need the flash files to upgrade it
up to 33.6 version (needs several consecutive flashes) and the AT command set that
supported (the non standard commands).
Cheers
George
25 Oct
25 Oct
12:05 p.m.
New subject: SIMH HP2100 Simulator question
Hello.
In http://www.spies.com/~aek/HP/JeffsPaperTapes/
are availables this files:
http://www.spies.com/~aek/HP/JeffsPaperTapes/24207.ABS
FIXED HEAD DISC/DRUM DIAGNOSTIC BINARY 24207-60001 REV A
http://www.spies.com/~aek/HP/JeffsPaperTapes/25123-30.ABS
MAGTAPE - DISC UTILITY (DLU) BINARY 25123-60030
CONF. DLU S.A.=2 SW=TTY S.C.
PLATTER 1=UPPER 0=LOWER
... for the HP2100 (I suppose).
I should like to check the SIMH-HP2100 part dedicated to simulate the Disc
and Drum of this computer. Somebody knows how must I manage these utils
under the simulator, or some other binaries that could do the work same
or better than these ?
You can contact off list if you consider it better.
Thanks and Greetings.
Sergio
27 Oct
27 Oct
2:31 p.m.
New subject: For HP1000 / SIMH owners/users...
Got any HP minis running (or emulated)?
Tired of HPBASIC? Looking for something to get your HP's lights blinking?
Introducing the first (known) programming language / operating system
designed and written specifically for the preservation of antique
computing hardware, HP-IPL/OS (Hewlett Packard Interpretive Programming
Language / Operating System).
If you have any running HP mini from the HP2114A up through the HP2117F,
or use the SIMH package to emulate one of these rather unique CPU's,
there is a stand-alone freeware threaded interpreter available for
'Beta' testing.
Check out:
http://www.nc5.infi.net/~wrnewton/oldcomp/hp2100/
Currently the language kernel is totally stable, but the file system and
disk support modules are still in development. So it may fall a little
short in the 'Operating System' department currently, but only by
'modern' standards.
Being an extensible threaded interpreter, these modules and drivers can
easily be added (through the CREATE tool) as they are developed, so
there is no reason to hold the kernel back while these are worked out.
Currently disk support is focused on CS/80 disks using the 12821A
interface, but support for HP7900's, or any other well-documented device
is quite practical. Currently HP7970 (13181) mag-tape is supported,
along with paper tape readers, punches, and BACI serial links to
external host systems.
(Developers wanted!)
If you have a workable CPU with no peripheral devices, its quite easy to
hang the HP off of a host system with a serial port. I'll be happy to
help anyone interface their HP system hardware to an external host, and
an interesting ATAPI (IDE) hard-disk hardware interface is also in
development (using generic HP I/O boards).
If you have never gotten your blinkin'-light HP to do anything useful,
HP-IPL/OS is designed to be very easy to bootstrap. Simple but fast
stand-alone boot devices (paper tape reader emulators) are available as
pre-programmed parts (PIC and EEPROM).
This is an ideal starter project for those wanting to get their feet wet
with their HP hardware. In no time at all we can get HP-IPL/OS running
on anything from a 2114 with 4K words of core right on up through E and
F series machines with a full megaword (DMS is supported).
Currently HP-IPL/OS does not support the A or L series hardware, mainly
due to a lack of documentation on these later machines and their lack of
a front pannel for easy bootstrapping.
Should anyone have a working HP7970E mag-tape, bootable 1600 bpi
mag-tapes are available now. Opinions and suggestions are welcome, but
might be best kept-off list (although if the installed base ever grows
to 10 systems or more I'd be shocked!).
Enjoy.
2:45 p.m.
New subject: For HP1000 / SIMH owners/users...
Hello:
This link don't works.
Greetings
Sergio
28 Oct
28 Oct
6:58 a.m.
New subject: For HP1000 / SIMH owners/users...
Sorry about the typo, the correct link is:
http://www.nc5.infi.net/~wtnewton/oldcomp/hp2100
SP wrote:
Hello:
This link don't works.
Greetings
Sergio
2:06 p.m.
New subject: For HP1000 / SIMH owners/users...
Thank you, Bob. I shall try it. In appeareance. Bob Supnik
is developing one stable version of the HP2100 simulator,
and it's possible we could have one simulator with operative
simulated devices in a couple of weeks from now.
Greetings
Sergio
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: For HP1000 / SIMH owners/users...
Sorry about the typo, the correct link is:
http://www.nc5.infi.net/~wtnewton/oldcomp/hp2100
SP wrote:
Hello:
This link don't works.
Greetings
Sergio
2:45 p.m.
New subject: For HP1000 / SIMH owners/users...
Sorry, my previous message was private.
Sergio
25 Oct
25 Oct
8:11 p.m.
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Voyager wrote:
I have an external 28.8 Supra FAX modem, the one with
the 2 digit green
LED display. It's never flashed, and contains one of the very early
firmware versions. I recall that Supra had an extensive file list
(including manuals in PDFs) for downloading at supra's site, then moved
to Diamond, then nothing, they vanished.
Diamond has done away with lots of things, including support/info for many
of the early products that "made" Diamond.
I think I still have the book for the Supra 28.8 if there is something you
are looking for in particular.
Could anybody help me locate a mirror of these files?
I need the flash
files to upgrade it up to 33.6 version (needs several consecutive
flashes) and the AT command set that supported (the non standard
commands).
If you find the files, let me know too. I also have some of these
modems...
-Toth
11:52 p.m.
New subject: What have I got? was: Re: [OT?] Supra FaxModem
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Speaking of Diamond, I picked up a little gadget the other day and am in
a quandry as to its identity and purpose. I will try a little ASCII
art(?) to see if I can convey its appearance.
___ 15 pin micro edge connector
| ______
\ | \
\| \______
_| |_
| | | |
|_| |_|
/ |______________| \
/ \_ DB25M
|_ DB25F
The body is equipped with jack screws indicating that the male end is to
mate with some upstream unit. The micro edge connector cable is
symmetrical with the same female connector at each end and is about four
feet long. The only identification on the thing is the word "DiAMOND"
molded into the top of the body.
Any one ever seen such a critter and can give a brief explanation of its
function?
Thanks.
- don
(including
manuals in PDFs) for downloading at supra's site, then moved
to Diamond, then nothing, they vanished.
Diamond has done away with lots of things, including support/info for many
of the early products that "made" Diamond. 
26 Oct
26 Oct
12:08 a.m.
New subject: What have I got? was: Re: [OT?] Supra FaxModem
I bet it's for a pair of those shutter glasses that connect through the
parallel port.
On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 00:54, Don Maslin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
Speaking of Diamond, I picked up a little gadget the other day and am in
a quandry as to its identity and purpose. I will try a little ASCII
art(?) to see if I can convey its appearance.
___ 15 pin micro edge connector
| ______
\ | \
\| \______
_| |_
| | | |
|_| |_|
/ |______________| \
/ \_ DB25M
|_ DB25F
The body is equipped with jack screws indicating that the male end is to
mate with some upstream unit. The micro edge connector cable is
symmetrical with the same female connector at each end and is about four
feet long. The only identification on the thing is the word "DiAMOND"
molded into the top of the body.
Any one ever seen such a critter and can give a brief explanation of its
function?
Thanks.
- don
(including manuals in PDFs) for downloading at supra's site, then moved
to Diamond, then nothing, they vanished.
Diamond has done away with lots of things, including support/info for many
of the early products that "made" Diamond. 
3:44 a.m.
There were a few pages with the AT commands. I need to have the S registers
at least, for example what bits in what register must be se to change the 2
digit display, or activate the assymetrix transmition etc.
Would it be easy to scan it for me?
I was almost sure that I had saved all the files from Supra (then Diamond)
site, but I could not find it anyplace :(
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [OT?] Supra FaxModem
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Voyager wrote:
I have an external 28.8 Supra FAX modem, the one
with the 2 digit green
LED display. It's never flashed, and contains one of the very early
firmware versions. I recall that Supra had an extensive file list
(including manuals in PDFs) for downloading at supra's site, then moved
to Diamond, then nothing, they vanished.
Diamond has done away with lots of things, including support/info for many
of the early products that "made" Diamond.
I think I still have the book for the Supra 28.8 if there is something you
are looking for in particular.
Could anybody help me locate a mirror of these
files? I need the flash
files to upgrade it up to 33.6 version (needs several consecutive
flashes) and the AT command set that supported (the non standard
commands).
If you find the files, let me know too. I also have some of these
modems...
-Toth
4:16 p.m.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Voyager wrote:
There were a few pages with the AT commands. I need to
have the S
registers at least, for example what bits in what register must be se to
change the 2 digit display, or activate the assymetrix transmition etc.
I'll look today and see if I still have it. I might also be thinking of
the 14.4 manual, and if so, I'd imagine most of the S registers would be
the same.
Would it be easy to scan it for me?
Not really, but I've been needing to set a scanner back up for some other
small bits anyway.
I was almost sure that I had saved all the files from
Supra (then
Diamond) site, but I could not find it anyplace :(
Have you tried contacting anyone at Diamond? I've been tempted to call
them, but haven't found the time yet.
-Toth
10:44 p.m.
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Voyager wrote:
I do indeed have the full documentation set for the 28.8 version of that
modem, including the quick reference sheet, which appears to be what you
want. I'll see about scanning it in the next couple days, as I need to set
up my large format scanner. The quick reference sheet is larger than the
8.5x11 scanner I currently have set up, and it didn't turn out too well
when I tried to stitch the images together.
Strangely enough, this modem appears to be barely on topic.
-Toth
There were a few pages with the AT commands. I
need to have the S
registers at least, for example what bits in what register must be se
to change the 2 digit display, or activate the assymetrix transmition
etc.
I'll look today and see if I still have it. I might also be thinking of
the 14.4 manual, and if so, I'd imagine most of the S registers would be
the same.
27 Oct
27 Oct
2:41 a.m.
Thanks! That's great!!! Don't mind if you send it in 2 or more pcs. I will
make the rest :-)
But, could you please check, if there is an S register for the 2 digit
display? could you please send me the options? I am 99% confident that it's
not in the quick reference sheet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf" someone(a)spamme.net
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [OT?] Supra FaxModem
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Voyager wrote:
I do indeed have the full documentation set for the 28.8 version of that
modem, including the quick reference sheet, which appears to be what you
want. I'll see about scanning it in the next couple days, as I need to set
up my large format scanner. The quick reference sheet is larger than the
8.5x11 scanner I currently have set up, and it didn't turn out too well
when I tried to stitch the images together.
Strangely enough, this modem appears to be barely on topic.
-Toth
There were a few pages with the AT commands. I
need to have the S
registers at least, for example what bits in what register must be se
to change the 2 digit display, or activate the assymetrix transmition
etc.
I'll look today and see if I still have it. I might also be thinking of
the 14.4 manual, and if so, I'd imagine most of the S registers would be
the same.
4:19 a.m.
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Voyager wrote:
But, could you please check, if there is an S register
for the 2 digit
display? could you please send me the options? I am 99% confident that
it's not in the quick reference sheet.
I don't see one that directly sets the display. According to the manual,
S37 can set the line speed, but N0 has to also be given to enable it.
There is another command called +MS that sets other speed settings, but it
has tons of options.
Diamond has this manual linked from their website, but it appears to be
for a later modem:
ftp://ftp.diamondmm.com/pub/communications/supra/288VPC.pdf
This file appears to cover most all of the AT commands and S register
options for the SupraFAXModem 288:
ftp://ftp.diamondmm.com/pub/communications/supra/flashers_current/v34/336_l…
It looks like most of the modems are still listed here:
http://www.diamondmm.com/support/diamond/default.asp?menu=support&subme…
It also looks like most of the flash ROM versions can be found here:
ftp://ftp.diamondmm.com/pub/communications/supra/
Btw, the book I have covers both the 14.4 and 28.8 modems, while the quick
reference sheet only covers 28.8 modems.
Do you know offhand if the 14.4 modems can be flash upgraded in the same
manner as the 28.8s? It certainly appears as though Supra was trying to
prevent their modems from becoming obsolete due to protocol and speed
improvements. These remind me of the US Robotics Courier modems.
-Toth
5:12 a.m.
Thanks for the links! But why don't they have these on the web site? is it
THAT big the waste of storage? :-)
I am not sure, but I suspect that the 14.4k modems were not upgradable. Only
the 28.8k did support flash, because of the lack of the market-standard and
the quick evolution of standards at the time.
There is an ati(something) command, that reports if there is Flash support.
I am mirroring the supra directories, I do not know if I will find them
again in a couple of years ;-)))
Once again: Thanks!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf"
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [OT?] Supra FaxModem
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Voyager wrote:
ftp://ftp.diamondmm.com/pub/communications/supra/flashers_current/v34/336_li
st.txt
But, could you please check, if there is an S
register for the 2 digit
display? could you please send me the options? I am 99% confident that
it's not in the quick reference sheet.
I don't see one that directly sets the display. According to the manual,
S37 can set the line speed, but N0 has to also be given to enable it.
There is another command called +MS that sets other speed settings, but it
has tons of options.
Diamond has this manual linked from their website, but it appears to be
for a later modem:
ftp://ftp.diamondmm.com/pub/communications/supra/288VPC.pdf
This file appears to cover most all of the AT commands and S register
options for the SupraFAXModem 288:
It looks like most of the modems are still listed here:
http://www.diamondmm.com/support/diamond/default.asp?menu=support&subme…
gacy_Modems
It also looks like most of the flash ROM versions can be found here:
ftp://ftp.diamondmm.com/pub/communications/supra/
Btw, the book I have covers both the 14.4 and 28.8 modems, while the quick
reference sheet only covers 28.8 modems.
Do you know offhand if the 14.4 modems can be flash upgraded in the same
manner as the 28.8s? It certainly appears as though Supra was trying to
prevent their modems from becoming obsolete due to protocol and speed
improvements. These remind me of the US Robotics Courier modems.
-Toth
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