22 Feb
1999
22 Feb
'99
8:43 p.m.
Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation 3100 from Tim in the mail today!
It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram.
It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 it came with, and
after hooking it up to my apple2GS with spectrum (also a classic computer :)
I got the thing to boot up into VMS. VERY cool. :)
Wishing it had TCP-IP, but heck, if it had *everything* I want on it,
where would the challenge be? :)
By the by, after attempting to negotiate with Sydex about a single user
license for Teledisk pro (the 150 dollar license they sell is a 25 user
site license) and failing, I've resolved not to do business with them again
and have removed Teledisk 2.16 (which turned out to be a hacked version)
from my system as well as 22disk, which is their
utility for copying to and
from CPM disks. Good software, but not worth what they want for it. It's
DOS
mode software for pete's sake.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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22 Feb
22 Feb
9:32 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Jim Strickland wrote:
By the by, after attempting to negotiate with Sydex
about a single user
license for Teledisk pro (the 150 dollar license they sell is a 25 user
site license) and failing, I've resolved not to do business with them again
and have removed Teledisk 2.16 (which turned out to be a hacked version)
from my system as well as 22disk, which is their utility for copying to and
from CPM disks. Good software, but not worth what they want for it. It's
DOS mode software for pete's sake.
Being that Teledisk is an important piece of software for us vintage
computer enthusiasts, it might be worth our while to petition Sydex to
create a low-cost hobbyist license to make it affordable. Or we could all
pitch in for a 25-user "site" license and just claim our office is
"distributed".
Or, a certain author of XenoCopy who is subscribed to this list could
take this as a great opportunity to start actively marketing his program
again (which IMO is better than Teledisk).
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23 Feb
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2:31 p.m.
Once upon a midnight dreary, Tony Duell had spoken clearly:
I have been half-thinking of writing my own tools to
make disk images of
any disk my PC can read, write them back to disk, extract data from them,
etc.
Fine idea... but you may be reinventing some wheels here, at least in the
short term.
I know that the CoCo2 & CoCo3 emulator has a program that can read
individual files & entire CoCo disks on a Clone, and I think the Model
I/III/4 emulator does too... these are freeware AFAIK.
If we set up a central site where these types of freeware disk tools could
be located, then as folks find other available freeware tools, we could
just archive it in the same spot... I can set up a spot on my FTP server if
anyone thinks this is a good idea.
Just lemme know if anyone wishes me to implement this.
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
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7:29 p.m.
>
> Once upon a midnight dreary, Tony Duell had spoken clearly:
>
> >I have been half-thinking of writing my own tools to make disk images of
> >any disk my PC can read, write them back to disk, extract data from them,
> >etc.
>
> Fine idea... but you may be reinventing some wheels here, at least in the
> short term.
The various emulation pages should be checked, since first order of
business with most emulators is to define a disc image file format and make
some tools for reading discs and extracting images.
24 Feb
24 Feb
4:56 a.m.
At 01:55 AM 2/24/99 +0000, Tony Duell wrote:
I was thinking more of general-purpose tools where you defined the format
of the disk (as in 80 track, single sided, 5 1024 byte sectors, etc) and
it made/dumped a disk image file. A program to handle CP/M disks would be
next on the list...
I think there's great value in having a disk image format that
can contain more than the raw data. For example, how do you solve
the problem of archiving bad sectors? You want your raw disk
reader to be able to recover from those types of errors, too.
I seem to remember that Anadisk or Teledisk had defined its
raw-plus format somewhere, I'll need to search my archives to
find what I'm remembering.
- John
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9:28 a.m.
At 07:10 PM 2/24/99 +0000, you wrote:
Yes, you need a read-raw utility that's smart enough to inject
null data when the sector can't be read. I think it's useful
to know that the archived disk had errors when reading, and
to record that in the file. Also, a file header can be useful
for indexing - then there's something in the file that can
represent what was scrawled on the paper label, for example.
- John
You want your
raw disk
reader to be able to recover from those types of errors, too.
Is this a big problem?
Unless the bad sector has to remain bad - i.e. it's used for part of a
copy-protection scheme - then surely archiving it as _anything_ is OK.
The OS should ignore bad sectors when you use the real disk, so if you
write the image back to a real disk, it will ignore the arbitrary data
you stuck in the image. 
23 Feb
23 Feb
6:55 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Roger Merchberger wrote:
Once upon a midnight dreary, Tony Duell had spoken
clearly:
I have a 'freestanding' little 16+kb program called COLORC that was
apparently written in early 1988 that will read/write Coco disks. Had it
for years. Be glad to donate it.
- don
I have been half-thinking of writing my own tools
to make disk images of
any disk my PC can read, write them back to disk, extract data from them,
etc.
Fine idea... but you may be reinventing some wheels here, at least in the
short term.
I know that the CoCo2 & CoCo3 emulator has a program that can read
individual files & entire CoCo disks on a Clone, and I think the Model
I/III/4 emulator does too... these are freeware AFAIK. If we set up a central site where these types of
freeware disk tools could
be located, then as folks find other available freeware tools, we could
just archive it in the same spot... I can set up a spot on my FTP server if
anyone thinks this is a good idea.
Just lemme know if anyone wishes me to implement this.
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
1:34 a.m.
Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation 3100
from Tim in the mail today!
It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram.
It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 it came with, and
after hooking it up to my apple2GS with spectrum (also a classic computer :)
I got the thing to boot up into VMS. VERY cool. :)
Wishing it had TCP-IP, but heck, if it had *everything* I want on it,
where would the challenge be? :)
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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Jim and any other Vax folk out here -- it can have TCP/IP.
The CMU IP stack is available free with the DECUS hobbiest rom.
http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/media.html
Bill
(who still hasn't had time to bring up my own Vaxstation 3100 yet)
---
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7:53 a.m.
Jim and any
other Vax folk out here -- it can have TCP/IP.
The CMU IP stack is available free with the DECUS hobbiest rom.
http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/media.html
Unfortunalty the CD-ROM is not currently available as they've run out for
the moment. However, hopefully the next version will include stuff for
Alpha OpenVMS. Currently they're trying to get those systems added to the
hobbiest program from what I hear. Me, I'm waiting to see what the price on
the new Compaq VMSstation will be, and hoping I can afford one for home use.
Zane 
10:20 a.m.
I'm getting my DEC Pro 380 up to speed with POS (RSX-11M-) while I try to
find usable Pro/Venix disks (my real goal) and this subject is close to
what I am thinking about now.
My DEC Pro has an ethernet card (DECNA) and POS has Pro/DECnet freely available.
As far as I can tell, there isn't any TCP/IP software for it. (But, if someone
knows of any, please let us know!). So, one way to have the Pro communicate
with my network is to have another machine that talks both DECnet and TCP/IP.
Apparently, there is a Linux DECnet, but Zane has been having trouble getting
it to work. Another possibility is a VAXstation that talks both DECnet and
TCP/IP.
So, is this possible? Will the hobbyist VMS do it? Or will Ultrix do it?
What is the smallest *VAX* that will do this? Note that I don't think I
require any routing between the protocols. I would be happy just to be able
to transfer files to/from my TCP/IP network to the *VAX* and to be able to
independently transfer files to/from my Pro using DECnet.
Thanks,
Dave
Bill Pechter wrote:
Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation
3100 from Tim in the mail today!
It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram.
It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 it came with, and
after hooking it up to my apple2GS with spectrum (also a classic computer :)
I got the thing to boot up into VMS. VERY cool. :)
Wishing it had TCP-IP, but heck, if it had *everything* I want on it,
where would the challenge be? :)
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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Jim and any other Vax folk out here -- it can have TCP/IP.
The CMU IP stack is available free with the DECUS hobbiest rom.
http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/media.html
Bill
(who still hasn't had time to bring up my own Vaxstation 3100 yet)
---
Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a
villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.nws.net|pechter@pechter.ddns.org
10:50 a.m.
At 01:20 PM 2/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
So, one way to have the Pro communicate
with my network is to have another machine that talks both DECnet and TCP/IP.
Apparently, there is a Linux DECnet, but Zane has been having trouble getting
it to work. Another possibility is a VAXstation that talks both DECnet and
TCP/IP.
There are DECnets for Mac and PC, of course, although I don't know
how you're going to do any actual routing as opposed to simple
file parking. Once upon a time, my company even made a DECnet for
the Amiga, a licensed port of the Thursby code. (I wrote the
DECnet mail for the Amiga.) My DEC Pro 350 was once able to talk
to my Amiga this way, but my knowledge of this has been fogged by time.
- John
11:30 a.m.
If it's DECnet for Windows 95/98/NT, I assume it costs "big money"?
Probably more than scrounging up a *VAX* with freely available
software? Anybody have pointers to DECnet for Windows 95/98/NT?
Thanks,
Dave
John Foust wrote:
At 01:20 PM 2/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
So, one way to have the Pro communicate
with my network is to have another machine that talks both DECnet and TCP/IP.
Apparently, there is a Linux DECnet, but Zane has been having trouble getting
it to work. Another possibility is a VAXstation that talks both DECnet and
TCP/IP.
There are DECnets for Mac and PC, of course, although I don't know
how you're going to do any actual routing as opposed to simple
file parking. Once upon a time, my company even made a DECnet for
the Amiga, a licensed port of the Thursby code. (I wrote the
DECnet mail for the Amiga.) My DEC Pro 350 was once able to talk
to my Amiga this way, but my knowledge of this has been fogged by time.
- John
2:38 p.m.
At 01:20 PM 2/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
> So, one way to have the Pro communicate
>with my network is to have another machine that talks both DECnet and TCP/IP.
>Apparently, there is a Linux DECnet, but Zane has been having trouble getting
>it to work. Another possibility is a VAXstation that talks both DECnet and
>TCP/IP.
Actually where I'm having trouble with DECnet/Linux is talking to
DECnet/RSX-11M, it talks fine to DECnet/VAX VMS.
However, I assume these results mean that Linux can't talk to a Pro380
running POS via DECnet.
There are DECnets for Mac and PC, of course, although I
don't know
how you're going to do any actual routing as opposed to simple
file parking. Once upon a time, my company even made a DECnet for
the Amiga, a licensed port of the Thursby code. (I wrote the
DECnet mail for the Amiga.) My DEC Pro 350 was once able to talk
to my Amiga this way, but my knowledge of this has been fogged by time.
Sadly there is now sign of the Amiga version of DECnet anywhere, I did some
serious looking for a copy almost a year ago.
I don't think routing would be an issue as long as you're all in the same
(oh, what do you call it "sub-net" or "region", something like that).
Of
course if you've more than 1024 machines, then you'd have a problem, BUT
any hobbiest with that many machines running DECnet HAS a problem :^)
Zane
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3:06 p.m.
I don't think routing would be an issue as long as
you're all in the same
(oh, what do you call it "sub-net" or "region", something like that).
Of
course if you've more than 1024 machines, then you'd have a problem, BUT
any hobbiest with that many machines running DECnet HAS a problem :^)
They're called 'areas' in DECnet... up to 1023 nodes in each of 63
areas (10 bits for node, 6 bits for area) at least. I've forgotten if
area 0 is allowed...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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4:35 a.m.
New subject: Teledisk was Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)
Jim,
I wonder if Sydex would consider some of the people on this list as a
"site"? Some of us could chip in and get the site license and get a
registered copy of the Teledisk.
Joe
At 12:43 AM 2/23/99 -0700, Jim wrote:
By the by, after attempting to negotiate with Sydex about a single user
license for Teledisk pro (the 150 dollar license they sell is a 25 user
site license) and failing, I've resolved not to do business with them again
and have removed Teledisk 2.16 (which turned out to be a hacked version)
from my system as well as 22disk, which is their utility for copying to and
from CPM disks. Good software, but not worth what they want for it. It's
DOS mode software for pete's sake.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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5:11 a.m.
New subject: Teledisk: Group copy?
At 09:35 23-02-1999, you wrote:
Jim,
I wonder if Sydex would consider some of the people on this list as a
"site"? Some of us could chip in and get the site license and get a
registered copy of the Teledisk.
Hey....
I -like- that idea! In fact, I like it a -lot!- I could really use an
updated copy, and if Sydex is selling 25-user licenses for $150, that would
cover at least half the folks on the list.
Heck, I'll even volunteer to coordinate the effort! Even if only five
people want to do it, that's only $30 per person (which I think we could
all afford). If we get 25 of us wanting to do it, that's a whopping $6 per
person.
OK... tell you what I can do. Would everyone who'd be interested in
chipping in for a new copy of Teledisk please drop me a private E-mail? I
can set up a log file (a spreadsheet, probably) with however many folks are
interested.
Once we get enough to justify this, I'll ask folks to send in a check.
I'll then chip in my own $$ and order the thing. Once I get it, I can
electronically distribute it to the contributors as a ZIPfile. If there's a
user's manual associated, I'll figure a way to scan it or get it into
electronic form somehow.
Let's see what happens...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
8:05 a.m.
New subject: Teledisk: Group copy?
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Bruce Lane wrote:
Hey....
I -like- that idea! In fact, I like it a -lot!- I could really use an
updated copy, and if Sydex is selling 25-user licenses for $150, that would
cover at least half the folks on the list.
You should know that the commercial version of TeleDisk is a somewhat
different package than the old shareware one. Since it was intended for
software distribution by commercial entities, it consists of the TeleDisk
program which creates the disk image and a second program called TeleGet
- that was freely distributable - which will expand it and write it to
disk. DTC, for one, used it. I presume that the TeleDisk program also has
expand/write capabilities, but I'm not sure. Tim Shoppa???
- don
Heck, I'll even volunteer to coordinate the
effort! Even if only five
people want to do it, that's only $30 per person (which I think we could
all afford). If we get 25 of us wanting to do it, that's a whopping $6 per
person.
OK... tell you what I can do. Would everyone who'd be interested in
chipping in for a new copy of Teledisk please drop me a private E-mail? I
can set up a log file (a spreadsheet, probably) with however many folks are
interested.
Once we get enough to justify this, I'll ask folks to send in a check.
I'll then chip in my own $$ and order the thing. Once I get it, I can
electronically distribute it to the contributors as a ZIPfile. If there's a
user's manual associated, I'll figure a way to scan it or get it into
electronic form somehow.
Let's see what happens...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
3:53 p.m.
New subject: Teledisk: Group copy?
At 11:05 23-02-1999 -0800, you wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Bruce Lane wrote:
<snip>
Thanks. So noted. So far, I've gotten a lot of interest.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
Hey....
I -like- that idea! In fact, I like it a -lot!- I could really use an
updated copy, and if Sydex is selling 25-user licenses for $150, that would
cover at least half the folks on the list.
You should know that the commercial version of TeleDisk is a somewhat
different package than the old shareware one. Since it was intended for
software distribution by commercial entities, it consists of the TeleDisk
program which creates the disk image and a second program called TeleGet
4:16 p.m.
New subject: Teledisk: Group copy?
Bruce,
Count me in! How many does that make so far?
Joe
At 08:11 AM 2/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
At 09:35 23-02-1999, you wrote:
Jim,
I wonder if Sydex would consider some of the people on this list as a
"site"? Some of us could chip in and get the site license and get a
registered copy of the Teledisk.
Hey....
I -like- that idea! In fact, I like it a -lot!- I could really use an
updated copy, and if Sydex is selling 25-user licenses for $150, that would
cover at least half the folks on the list.
Heck, I'll even volunteer to coordinate the effort! Even if only five
people want to do it, that's only $30 per person (which I think we could
all afford). If we get 25 of us wanting to do it, that's a whopping $6 per
person.
OK... tell you what I can do. Would everyone who'd be interested in
chipping in for a new copy of Teledisk please drop me a private E-mail? I
can set up a log file (a spreadsheet, probably) with however many folks are
interested.
Once we get enough to justify this, I'll ask folks to send in a check.
I'll then chip in my own $$ and order the thing. Once I get it, I can
electronically distribute it to the contributors as a ZIPfile. If there's a
user's manual associated, I'll figure a way to scan it or get it into
electronic form somehow.
Let's see what happens...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
4:11 p.m.
New subject: Teledisk was Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)
Jim,
I wonder if Sydex would consider some of the people on this list as a
"site"? Some of us could chip in and get the site license and get a
registered copy of the Teledisk.
Joe
actually I asked if it would be legitimate to distribute copies to 24 of my
hobbiest friends and they said no.
--
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jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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4:26 p.m.
New subject: Teledisk was Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)
At 20:11 23-02-1999 -0700, you wrote:
actually I asked if it would be legitimate to
distribute copies to 24 of my
hobbiest friends and they said no.
That's silly! If someone buys a 25 user license, no matter how, they
should be able to distribute 25 copies.
I'm going to E-mail Sydex and find out what the deal is.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
4:45 p.m.
New subject: Teledisk was Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Bruce Lane wrote:
At 20:11 23-02-1999 -0700, you wrote:
Its a "site" license as opposed to a user license. As long as there is no
restriction on a "site" being spread across the world then there shouldn't
be a problem. Of course, don't offer too much information to them.
Then again, there's XenoCopy...
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actually I asked if it would be legitimate to
distribute copies to 24 of my
hobbiest friends and they said no.
That's silly! If someone buys a 25 user license, no matter how, they
should be able to distribute 25 copies. 
5:59 p.m.
New subject: Teledisk was Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Bruce Lane wrote:
At 20:11 23-02-1999 -0700, you wrote:
No, unless that person is totally uninterested, the limit is 24.
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
actually I asked if it would be legitimate to
distribute copies to 24 of my
hobbiest friends and they said no.
That's silly! If someone buys a 25 user license, no matter how, they
should be able to distribute 25 copies.
24 Feb
24 Feb
4:30 a.m.
New subject: Teledisk was Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)
At 08:11 PM 2/23/99 -0700, you wrote:
Screw 'em! Do it anyway!
Joe
Jim,
I wonder if Sydex would consider some of the people on this list as a
"site"? Some of us could chip in and get the site license and get a
registered copy of the Teledisk.
Joe
actually I asked if it would be legitimate to distribute copies to 24 of my
hobbiest friends and they said no.
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Jim Strickland 
23 Feb
23 Feb
4:20 p.m.
Hi:
If you need TCP/IP, get the CMUIP package from Carnegie Mellon. It works
quite well under VMS.
Kevin
--
Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD
mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca
4:42 p.m.
Jim Strickland wrote:
Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation 3100 from Tim in the mail today!
It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram.
It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 ...
We've had to keep our clock set back to preserve our VMS and TCP/IP
and NFS and numerous other packages...
Anyone have a clue as to how we can preserve the software without
moving to some 'hobby' license of a newer VMS?
Michael Grigoni
Cybertheque Museum
4:57 p.m.
Jim Strickland wrote:
What version are you running? The licence generator at www.montagar.com/hobbyist
doesn't even ask what version of VMS you're running, and my impression is it
licenses everything up to 1 rev below the current version. As far as TCP
or other layered products, I think you're out of luck, but as many people have
pointed out, CMU/TCP is a viable option there, and I can't imagine it could be
any LESS stable than early versions of UCX. Note that they list their European
licensing counterparts on this site too.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation 3100 from Tim in the mail today!
It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram.
It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 ...
We've had to keep our clock set back to preserve our VMS and TCP/IP
and NFS and numerous other packages...
Anyone have a clue as to how we can preserve the software without
moving to some 'hobby' license of a newer VMS?
Michael Grigoni
Cybertheque Museum
6:58 p.m.
What version are you running? The licence generator at
www.montagar.com/hobbyist
doesn't even ask what version of VMS you're running, and my impression is it
licenses everything up to 1 rev below the current version. As far as TCP
or other layered products, I think you're out of luck, but as many people have
pointed out, CMU/TCP is a viable option there, and I can't imagine it could be
any LESS stable than early versions of UCX. Note that they list their
European
licensing counterparts on this site too.
CMUIP doesn't have working NFS, and it's been my experience that the FTP
included with it is less than stellar. Although I believe that there are
free FTP replacements available for it.
As I mentioned in a earlier post today, the word is that they're getting
ready to add some stuff to the hobbiest program, including possibly support
for some Alpha systems. I saw a post on USENET afterwards to the effect of
check http://www.montagar.com at the beginning of next month. I didn't
recognize the poster, however, he had a Compaq e-mail address. Of course
at this moment this is nothing but a rumor, but there have been rumblings
about this for a couple of months now.
Personally I'd like to see OpenVMS (VAX/Alpha), NAS-150, Motif, and the
languages at a minimum made available for hobbiests. Let's face it, they
need as many people as possible running the stuff.
Zane
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6:23 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Michael Grigoni wrote:
We've had to keep our clock set back to preserve
our VMS and TCP/IP
and NFS and numerous other packages...
Anyone have a clue as to how we can preserve the software without
moving to some 'hobby' license of a newer VMS?
You seem to have already figured out the easiest way. Advice: avoid
enabling NTP.
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
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