<I seem to recall a .3 limit in an early version of VMS that someone I spo <to who used to work for DEC recalls as well: was it as late as vms 2.0 pe <3.0 even? 4.x (memeory is fuzzy brought the loger file names. The earliest version of VMS I used was 3.4. The reason I was complianing is those long names can be horrid if you have to hand type them in and make an error with command editing not available. Allison