1 May
2002
1 May
'02
2:11 a.m.
See below, plz.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
First of all, it's not necessary that the MAC be capable of the highest
bandwidth. I was just curious what's out there. Secondly, for a 5-6 staton
LAN, including servers, it makes little sense to have lots of
switching/routing hardware and a complex topology. Right now, what's active
is one of two servers and a single station (this one). I get inquiries about
the 10Gb and faster hardware from time to time, and, having not even ventured,
in any sense, into the 1 Gb stuff, I'm just looking around.
The baseband frequency, BTW doesn't impact
the CPU, at least not on the
systems I'm familiar with, since the NIC recognizes traffic for the local
address and only that has to be dealt with. That's done at the CPU's
pleasure.
Yeah, but 1) there's no way you'd come close to saturating a 1Gbit pipe
with your Performa and 2) it makes more sense to use a network switch that
can deal with different speeds than a single backbone of 'excessive'
speed. In fact, to use junky old Ethernet's CSMA/CD collision detection
on a 'bus' version that fast would require a VERY short bus length,
negating any advantages I could see for using such a fast networking
topology.
Still, I guess it would be a very interesting sight.
> So, if I want to put standard ethernet on this Performa, how does that
work?
1) Insert NIC into LC PDS slot
2) Turn on mac, connect ethernet cable, and configure the 'AppleTalk'
control panel to use Ethernet instead of the modem or printer port.
... and what's an LC PDS slot? What's a suitable NIC that's common
enough I
might see one?
> What do I have to beg, borrow, steal? If the NT server, as I'm told it
can,
talks
AppleTalk, does it do that over ethernet?
Yes. It's possible to get a Localtalk card (for connection over the slow
230Kbit apple networking), but they're few and far between (besides, I'm
not sure what OS's they actually work with). However, AppleTalk will run
'out of the box' over ethernet on NT. My high school used a couple NT
servers for all of their Mac systems, so it's definitely doable.
OK, now I really need to try and get some work done.
-- Pat
1 May
1 May
2:50 a.m.
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
See below, plz.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
My point was that with a very small number of machines that are as slow as
a 68040 or 486, there's no way in hell you'll even come close to
saturating a 1Gbit line, let alone a 10Gbit line, so it makes no sense at
all to spend the money on it, unless you just want to 'play with a new
really cool toy'. Of course, we all know there's nothing wrong with that :).
Personally, I've never seen a need for anything as fast as 1Gbit, let
alone 10Gbit. Not even Purdue, with the tens of thouseands of computers
they seem to have, has anything faster than a 1Gbit line... and those are
only in it's routing/switching core and it's connection to the Internet2.
I'm just saying it's very impractical for most situations to try and
implement 10000BaseT, or whatever you want to call it, with current
technologies - unless you're Sridhar or something.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
First of all, it's not necessary that the MAC be capable of the highest
bandwidth. I was just curious what's out there. Secondly, for a 5-6 staton
LAN, including servers, it makes little sense to have lots of
switching/routing hardware and a complex topology. Right now, what's active
is one of two servers and a single station (this one). I get inquiries about
the 10Gb and faster hardware from time to time, and, having not even ventured,
in any sense, into the 1 Gb stuff, I'm just looking around. ... and what's an LC PDS slot? What's a
suitable NIC that's common enough I
might see one?
Google is your friend. A quick search of "LC PDS slot" turns up these
pictures:
1) a picture of the slot (the connector witout a card in it, a 3x6 and
3xalot connetor joined together):
http://sites.uol.com.br/emersonwsm/ethernetlcpds/slotpds.jpg
2) a picture of two LC PDS cards:
http://gannet.stockton.edu/compserv/ethernetlccard.gif
Just find any NIC that says it fits an LC PDS card. Most major Mac brands
of NICs (like Asante or Farallon) make (or should I say 'made') one. If
you want more information, try using google, that's about the best I can
help with.
-- Pat
3:25 a.m.
I've been so busy trying to get my S.O's little nook plumbed and wired so I
can get back to my stuff, that I've not taken time to do my homework. I was
fortunate enough to find a couple of cheap computers while out "thrift
shopping" yesterday, and I still have to figure out what to do with that
stuff. I'm determined to do "something" though. I'm not likely to
become a
MAC convert because of my long-term bias in favor of the PC approach.
I'll figure out the least painful path to where I want to go once I figure out
where that is.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor
:).
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> See below, plz.
>
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
>
> > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> >
> First of all, it's not necessary that the MAC be capable of the highest
> bandwidth. I was just curious what's out there. Secondly, for a 5-6
staton
> LAN, including servers, it makes little sense to
have lots of
> switching/routing hardware and a complex topology. Right now, what's
active
> is one of two servers and a single station (this
one). I get inquiries
about
> the 10Gb and faster hardware from time to time,
and, having not even
ventured,
in any sense,
into the 1 Gb stuff, I'm just looking around.
My point was that with a very small number of machines that are as slow as
a 68040 or 486, there's no way in hell you'll even come close to
saturating a 1Gbit line, let alone a 10Gbit line, so it makes no sense at
all to spend the money on it, unless you just want to 'play with a new
really cool toy'. Of course, we all know there's nothing wrong with that
Personally, I've never seen a need for anything as fast as 1Gbit, let
alone 10Gbit. Not even Purdue, with the tens of thouseands of computers
they seem to have, has anything faster than a 1Gbit line... and those are
only in it's routing/switching core and it's connection to the Internet2.
I'm just saying it's very impractical for most situations to try and
implement 10000BaseT, or whatever you want to call it, with current
technologies - unless you're Sridhar or something.
> ... and what's an LC PDS slot? What's a suitable NIC that's common
enough
I
might see one?
Google is your friend. A quick search of "LC PDS slot" turns up these
pictures:
1) a picture of the slot (the connector witout a card in it, a 3x6 and
3xalot connetor joined together):
http://sites.uol.com.br/emersonwsm/ethernetlcpds/slotpds.jpg
2) a picture of two LC PDS cards:
http://gannet.stockton.edu/compserv/ethernetlccard.gif
Just find any NIC that says it fits an LC PDS card. Most major Mac brands
of NICs (like Asante or Farallon) make (or should I say 'made') one. If
you want more information, try using google, that's about the best I can
help with.
-- Pat
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