22 Aug
2007
22 Aug
'07
12:34 a.m.
On 8/21/07, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
The price is not insane, ELI is a legitimate DEC reseller who just
happens to have an eBay presence. A top of the line VAX can still go
for big $$$'s as there are those looking to stay on real hardware,
Interesting, I didn't know the line went on that long (a list I found
put that model's introduction at 1996.)
At work we had a VaxStation 4000 that was still being used for
compiling certain code. Instead of relying on keeping it going, we
spent the big $ on the Charon Vax emulator. It's working fine, but I
have to wonder if SimH would have done the job as well :)
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jht
22 Aug
22 Aug
12:47 a.m.
At 11:34 PM -0500 8/21/07, Jason T wrote:
On 8/21/07, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at
aracnet.com> wrote:
The latest doc's I've seen are for '99.
The price is not insane, ELI is a legitimate DEC reseller who just
happens to have an eBay presence. A top of the line VAX can still go
for big $$$'s as there are those looking to stay on real hardware,
Interesting, I didn't know the line went on that long (a list I found
put that model's introduction at 1996.) At work we had a VaxStation 4000 that was still being
used for
compiling certain code. Instead of relying on keeping it going, we
spent the big $ on the Charon Vax emulator. It's working fine, but I
have to wonder if SimH would have done the job as well :)
SIMH can't be used for VAX emulation in a non-Hobbyist setting
legally. Not really sure why, but you can't transfer your licenses
over. I suspect part of it has to do with that magic saying "support
contract".
Of course from what I've seen on a couple mail lists it sounds as if
people are using SIMH commercially.
I'm still using real hardware, but one of these is over kill for my
requirements, and I'm not a commercial setting. Still it would look
nice sitting next to my Compaq XP1000/667! :^)
Zane
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4:50 a.m.
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 21:47 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
SIMH can't be used for VAX emulation in a
non-Hobbyist setting
legally.
That probably depends where you are. A bone of contention with certain
Linux distributions is their lack of MP3 support, which is left out
simply because the US allows software patents and is a very litigious
country.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was perfectly legal to use Simh outside
the US in a commercial environment. The licences may say otherwise, but
not be legally valid.
Gordon
9:38 a.m.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 21:47 -0700, Zane H. Healy
wrote:
Well it certainly used to be the case that when you bought a VAX it came
with a base VMS license, on top of which you could add licenses for
additional users (or 'unlimited' if you were rich) and layered products.
And you could transfer any license but base from one machine to another on
paying a few hundred quid to DEC. And if you bought a second hand machine
by rights you had to pay the fees to transfer the licenses over into your
name.
Of course if you had the PAKs from the previous owners you could still run
VMS and your apps. But the license keys would be in their name and I can't
see how this would be legal. Unless this practice was not legal in the UK
all along and Digital just got away with it...
In any case simh has no base license and if you transfered one from a real
microvax you'd be lying. I suspect with Charon SRI have got HP to issue
base licenses to go with their soft-VAXen.
Andrew
SIMH can't be used for VAX emulation in a
non-Hobbyist setting
legally.
That probably depends where you are. A bone of contention with certain
Linux distributions is their lack of MP3 support, which is left out
simply because the US allows software patents and is a very litigious
country.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was perfectly legal to use Simh outside
the US in a commercial environment. The licences may say otherwise, but
not be legally valid. 
10 a.m.
On Wednesday 22 August 2007 14:38:41 Andrew Back wrote:
In any case simh has no base license and if you
transfered one from a real
microvax you'd be lying. I suspect with Charon SRI have got HP to issue
base licenses to go with their soft-VAXen.
Ah righty, so the base licence is licenced to the machine, and anything else
is licenced to the user?
You do kind of have to wonder how much it costs HP to keep running this
licensing scheme...
Gordon
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