I know the original macs all had sigs in the case (128, 512s, plus, se, and I think into the SE/30 is when they stopped)... I have also heard rumor that the original II series had sigs or similar in the case (II, IIx, IIcx)... but being as I dont have those 3 (yet), I can't check for myself. But hey... I am sure if you took it to Antiques Road Show, they would tell you it is worth a few grand easy. Well... at least as of tomorrow, we will have a fair fight when swinging SE/30's... I'm driving into NYC to pick up an SE/30 and an 840AV with a SpigotProAV card (the SE/30 is pretty well loaded, 32mb RAM with 200mb HD... so it looks like I will finally get around to installing NetBSD on a Mac... and I have to look into the Spigot card... if it can capture to MPEG, I might turn the 840 into a standalone VCD burner... but from first checks, looks like the Spigot captures to a propritary JPEG format) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>