Actually, no, but it's a combination of some things: The software that's mandated for use in most companies (by people who have too much authority in the company and no idea what they're doing...) is terrible, and hard to manage. The people being hired to run networks these days only know how to "use" this terrible software, leaving anything that isn't garbage to be either neglected or outsourced. (usually the former...) People don't expect decent performance from their systems, because of the aforementioned terrible software, and so points one and two continue. Well, that's what _I_ think it is... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '