19 Jun
2002
19 Jun
'02
8:35 p.m.
Antonio Carlini wrote:
Even then there should be a way IMO. There are a few programmes that allow
you to take a "screen shot", which means they produce a (.bmp .jpg...whatever)
file that shows what you had on your screen when you press some key. The one
I have was part of the Corel family...unfortunately, I haven't used it a
long time and I'm not home now to check its name. There could also be something
like this out as freeware, but I'm not sure on this.
Even if it's a bit complicated, this would at least allow you to print the
contents of those manuals the original viewer doesn't want you to. Legality of
such operations is another problem; I do not want to encourage illegal
actions. But I also don't want to see perfectly repairable appliances go to the
dumpster. Choose your way...
Arno Kletzander
Arno_1983(a)gmx.de
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http://www.gmx.net
I actually
tried that with one local shop, and they flat out said no. Its
quite possible that the Philips/Magnavox service docs can't be printed
(via normal means, anyway), but only viewed from those cdroms. If they can
be printed, its possible that the service shop has a limit as to how many
pages they can print (or even view) from those discs.
PDF files can be marked to prevent printing, although
I think it's down to the software to honour this.
Limiting the number of viewings seems a little
daft - I doubt that anyone does this!
Antonio 
17 Jun
17 Jun
9:04 p.m.
New subject: WTB: HP HIL Keybrd
Anyone got a spare HP HIL keyboard to get rid of? (with cable) Contact me
offlist, please.
tarsi(a)binhost.com
Thanks,
Tarsi
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20 Jun
20 Jun
7:51 a.m.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Arno Kletzander wrote:
Even if it's a bit complicated, this would at
least allow you to print
the contents of those manuals the original viewer doesn't want you to.
Legality of such operations is another problem; I do not want to
encourage illegal actions. But I also don't want to see perfectly
repairable appliances go to the dumpster. Choose your way...
As long as the viewer program can be loaded and run on your computer, it
can be "debugged".
That's what amazes me about all this silly copy protection and rights
management nonsense. Ultimately, in order for what they are selling to be
a product that humans will want, it has to somehow come out of our
computer and go into our sense organs. As long as that data goes into the
computer, it can be liberated.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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8:21 a.m.
At the risk of steering dangerously off-topic, I recommend
reading the information available at http://trustedpc.org, a
scary consortium of some very large players hard at work
at turning the personal computer into an entertainment industry
controlled home AV component.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Document copy protection
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Arno Kletzander wrote:
Festival
Even if it's a bit complicated, this would at
least allow you to print
the contents of those manuals the original viewer doesn't want you to.
Legality of such operations is another problem; I do not want to
encourage illegal actions. But I also don't want to see perfectly
repairable appliances go to the dumpster. Choose your way...
As long as the viewer program can be loaded and run on your computer, it
can be "debugged".
That's what amazes me about all this silly copy protection and rights
management nonsense. Ultimately, in order for what they are selling to be
a product that humans will want, it has to somehow come out of our
computer and go into our sense organs. As long as that data goes into the
computer, it can be liberated.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
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----
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at
www.VintageTech.com *
11:01 a.m.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Arno Kletzander wrote:
Uh, yup. My little brother is working in the IT shop for a large
company that's going bellyup. They run Lotus Notes for mail. Last
month, th Corporate Office sent out a list of depatments & teams that
were "eligible for early retirement." Odd thing - that one Notes email
could be neither printed, exported, or forwarded. Even a reply, which
appeared to quote the full text, left no quote in the "sent" folder.
I'm not sure how much trouble his bosses went to cover their tracks, but
the effect was rather impressive. The solution, though, was rather
humble.
The "Print Screen" key.....
Doc
Even if it's a bit complicated, this would at
least allow you to print
the contents of those manuals the original viewer doesn't want you to.
Legality of such operations is another problem; I do not want to
encourage illegal actions. But I also don't want to see perfectly
repairable appliances go to the dumpster. Choose your way...
As long as the viewer program can be loaded and run on your computer, it
can be "debugged".
That's what amazes me about all this silly copy protection and rights
management nonsense. Ultimately, in order for what they are selling to be
a product that humans will want, it has to somehow come out of our
computer and go into our sense organs. As long as that data goes into the
computer, it can be liberated. 
11:16 a.m.
At 03:01 PM 6/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
What about a copy/paste operation?
--tom
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Arno Kletzander wrote:
Uh, yup. My little brother is working in the IT shop for a large
company that's going bellyup. They run Lotus Notes for mail. Last
month, th Corporate Office sent out a list of depatments & teams that
were "eligible for early retirement." Odd thing - that one Notes email
could be neither printed, exported, or forwarded. Even a reply, which
appeared to quote the full text, left no quote in the "sent" folder.
I'm not sure how much trouble his bosses went to cover their tracks, but
the effect was rather impressive. The solution, though, was rather
humble.
The "Print Screen" key..... Even if it's a bit complicated, this would at
least allow you to print
the contents of those manuals the original viewer doesn't want you to.
Legality of such operations is another problem; I do not want to
encourage illegal actions. But I also don't want to see perfectly
repairable appliances go to the dumpster. Choose your way...
As long as the viewer program can be loaded and run on your computer, it
can be "debugged".
That's what amazes me about all this silly copy protection and rights
management nonsense. Ultimately, in order for what they are selling to be
a product that humans will want, it has to somehow come out of our
computer and go into our sense organs. As long as that data goes into the
computer, it can be liberated.
11:40 a.m.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Tom Uban wrote:
The "Copy" item in the menus was grayed out, and Ctrl-C didn't work
either. It was quite comprehensive.
Doc
Uh, yup. My little brother is working in the IT shop for a large
company that's going bellyup. They run Lotus Notes for mail. Last
month, th Corporate Office sent out a list of depatments & teams that
were "eligible for early retirement." Odd thing - that one Notes email
could be neither printed, exported, or forwarded. Even a reply, which
appeared to quote the full text, left no quote in the "sent" folder.
I'm not sure how much trouble his bosses went to cover their tracks, but
the effect was rather impressive. The solution, though, was rather
humble.
The "Print Screen" key.....
What about a copy/paste operation?
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