Excuse my ignorance but even at the fact that it's a purple ceramic - is this like a prototype or one of Intel's first runs or something that makes it worth more than most new processors? -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Galt Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:03 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1296402506 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Galt To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY Well, it was one of only two known rare purple Intel C8080A's I am always in the market to buy rare old Intel microprocessors and support chips. If you have any old Intel 4004, 8008, 4040, or 8080 microprocessors laying around, I want them. Also buying old EPROMS (C1702's, etc), RAM (C3101, C1101, C1103, etc), clock chips, etc). Contact me at gmphillips(a)earthlink.net

John, You're all right. I respect your interest and your approach. If I ever run across a chip you're looking for, it would be my pleasure to see it go to you. Ian

Why are chip collectors so frowned upon on this mailing list? Do you guys think us chip collectors are out here busting up Intelec's, Altairs, and IMSAI's to get the chips out of them or something? We are legitimate collectors just like you guys are. Most "normal" people would say you guys are idiots for preserving and collecting old computers and paying 2K+ for an old IMSAI 8080. Give me a break. Better yet, give me all those old "worthless" purple C8080A's you have laying around. I'll give you $1 ea. for them so you won't feel like you're taking advantage of an "idiot". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.comTo: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.orgSent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY Festival ---- http://www.vintage.org

jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote: Well the whole S-100 bus was a mess for the longest time. As reminder IMSAI is back in business at http://www.imsai.net/ Here you can get parts for your classic 8080 computer or a new 20MHZ Z80 S-100 bus computer for around $1K. Why pay $2k for a 2 MHZ 8080 when you can get a 20 MHZ version for half the price. :) Ben Franchuk. -- Live "Pre-historic Cpu's" -- and you thought they were extinct. www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

Because the 'new' Imsai is not an S-100 machine? Ben Franchuk wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Ben Franchuk wrote: One in the same really, but the Heath model is the H100 and the Zenith model is the Z100. There is also a Z120 which has integrated CRT and disk drives. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

Hopefully this is in response to another comment about "idiots" and not mine. I see your point as a collector and why this is an out of the ordinary one for your collection. I personally don't place that much value on the chip but then I don't see a million plus bucks for a wooden humidor that an ex-president had either, regardless of of historical (sometimes deemed "hysterical" )value. I do see what the resale value is on occasion for things I get and don't personally want as I am a cash collector myself - not as a person that is a numismatic, just a money lover/hoarder. besides cash stores easier than computers and I don't have to plug cash in or troubleshoot it, but I do love to tinker so I have the computers as well. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Galt -> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 9:43 PM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY -> -> -> Let's see... -> -> My "Intentions"... Well, I am a chip collector. I want chips. -> I want you -> to sell them to me. I will offer you -> more than you might think they are worth. If you do -> not need some old chips you have laying around, then -> here's a chance for you to get rid of them and make a few -> bucks in the process. Will I turn around and try and sell -> the chips I bought from you at a profit? I might. If you -> sell me a chip for 5$ that I already have and collectors -> are paying $500 for it, then yes, I will sell it or better -> yet, trade it for a chip I do not have that I would have had to have paid -> $500 for otherwise. -> -> "Clueless and greedy" people? Hmmm. I might be "clueless" -> (some here have -> proclaimed me an idiot) but -> I do not consider myself "greedy". The C8080A bid went -> that high because two collectors wanted it and there was only -> one available. -> There was no "greed" involved. -> -> "The way the message was written, sounded like business, intentions of -> making $". -> -> My intent was to demonstrate that you guys should come off that -> stash of old -> chips you have squireled away. -> They are not doing you any good and there is a community of chip -> collectors -> who would love to get -> their hands on them. But then, they are not here at the moment -> and I am, so -> I am more than willing to "distribute" -> them to legitimate collectors for you. In otherwords, -> I am willing to be the "middleman". I buy the chips from -> you (for more than you think they are worth) and I then -> put them in the hands of legitmate chip collectors. -> You get some cash and get to know that your old chips -> will be preserved and enjoyed by others instead of -> sitting in some box in your garage. Will I make money -> on the deal? I might, but if I do, I'll just use it to buy -> other chips I do not have from other collectors. Most -> collectors obtain most of there chips thru trading. But -> that only works if you have chips to trade. I don't have -> any old computers to trade so I offer you cash instead. -> -> However, if you do need a chip, there's a good chance -> I can find it for you. In fact, I've got a special this week. -> Purple C8080A's for only $600 ea. - Just kidding! I can get you -> the white -> and gold ones for less than that. -> Besides, why do you need a C8080A when a P8080A will work just as well? I -> can get those for $5. -> -> In reality, most of the chips you might need can be obtained at very -> reasonable prices or by simply trading -> one of us a chip we do not already have. -> -> ----- Original Message ----- -> From: <jpero(a)sympatico.ca> -> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> -> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 4:55 PM -> Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY -> -> -> > > From: "John Galt" <gmphillips(a)earthlink.net> -> > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> -> > > Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY -> > > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:17:40 -0500 -> > > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> > -> > > Why are chip collectors so frowned upon on this mailing list? Do you -> guys -> > > think us chip collectors are out here busting up Intelec's, -> Altairs, and -> > > IMSAI's to get the chips out of them or something? -> > > -> > > We are legitimate collectors just like you guys are. -> > -> > What is your intentions?! Collectors is catch-all word, some good -> > some bad! -> > -> > > -> > > Most "normal" people would say you guys are idiots -> > > for preserving and collecting old computers and paying -> > > 2K+ for an old IMSAI 8080. -> > -> > That $2K for Imsai is the supply and demand fostered by clueless but -> > greedy people who wanted to make this a collection stuff as a cash -> > cow than simply using it and fixing it and play with it, that -> > latter is amirable, former is frowned upon. Also Imsai is buggy and -> > botched up box. There's better built and properly designed S-100 -> > boxens to play with. -> > -> > Your original message didn't introduce yourself clearly first. -> > The way the message was written, sounded like business, intentions of -> > making $ and this message also doesn't reflect of these people on -> > this CC list. This is exactly what speared thru that wasp nest and -> > angry wasps flying out. -> > -> > > -> > > Give me a break. -> > -> > Not a chance!...you have lot to explain to that CC list then -> > that uproar will settle down. -> > -> > Cheers, -> > -> > Wizard -> ->

Nice new topic ... Valid to some degree, Now exactly here comes a dramatic missunderstanding (please excuse if Tony already answered hereon :)): At least for my part, I don't collect and hort old chips witout purpose. I collect old machines, and these chips are vital spare parts. Maybe we can stress again the old Car vs Computer collector picture. Collectin chips is to me like collecting crankshafts or pistons to a car collector. They may be realy nice, and there is an awful lot of various details and variations to collect, but the best place is still inside an engine to keep a car running - no part can be so beautifull that I would prefere it above the whole machine. So machine collectors are not legitimate ? (SCNR) Now if this implies to get old computers to just rip of some chips, you may realy offend some members. (*) Like with car collectors, there a two species - one that realy want to keep it in an totaly as original delivered configuration, who would put in a similar chip only as long as they can't find the 'real' one, and the ones who want to keep it in a good or better as good to use condition, who don't care about non infuencal parts (like using a P instead of a C) Well, let's see. BTW: I have some 8080s and similar stuff - Got to look, but most are white ceramic (and some grey) ... (And Sallam, don't piss him off - let me first sell some spare :) Gruss H. (*) Serious, if wou scrap machines to get chips, I'd like to get a note loot (or a few more) in exchange for the untouched machine. -- VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

It's always a possiblility, John. I scrapped an NBI word processor, saving the 8008 CPU in order to make a tie tack out of it. That was in 1982, however. Not everybody has the same prejudices/viewpoints, hence, some pretty ugly arguments. There are some guys who won't dismember a seemingly irreprarble system just for parts, while, I, for example, see most things as a potential source of parts unless it is readily restorable to working condition. I recently learned that a late model CoCo has a WD1772 in it. I'd quickly remove the FDC and scarp the rest if I had one of those available. That would make some guys' skin crawl. Almost every point in between the extremes has some adherents to that position. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <jpero(a)sympatico.ca> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY

On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, John Galt wrote: Speaking personally, the whole thing seems rather silly. It seems to be collecting for the sake of collecting (Collect all 5 Spastastically Juicy colors!) with no regards towards significance. It looks to be Yet Another Silly Fad. Everyone will get their fill, the market will collapse, and people will move on to something else to turn a buck on. It happened with comic books, beanie babies, and old computers. There's no such thing as a legitimate collector ;) No. What if I paint one of mine Day-Glo Green? Does it automatically shoot up in value to $5000? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

John Galt skrev: Well, on the topic of idiots, top-quoting is not the smartest thing to do... You aren't? Only you collect rubbish. I suppose they are. 2000 dollars is a lot of money. If I had one, I think I'd rather be looking for an idiot than giving themaway, I'm afraid. Now, looking at old computer chips can be fun for a while, but they are essentially worthless, unless you are of an inclination similar to Tony's and have got an electron microscope. They are meant to run computers, not to sit there and do nothing. I have the same stance on people who collect computers and game just for keeping them, instead of using them. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. Schont die Sockel, wenn ihr die Denkm?ler st?rzt. Sie k?nnten noch gebraucht werden. --- Stanislaw Jerzy Lec

Jeff Hellige skrev: But that's what worries me. Why would a person who's looking to get a computer up and running be at the mercy of people who pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for chips only for their cosmetic qualities. They obviously have different motivations than computer collectors. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. I installed 7.6.1 on my Color Classic too. It has 6mb ram now, and no FPU yet. Things really slowed down when I installed the Appearance extention and control panel. But now the GUI is OS8ish! ;) That little creep is so cute, I'll probably leave instructions to have it made my urn. It'll hold my ashes, and still continue to function as a computer ;) iVan

Careful, now ... there are lots of guys around who collect old machines with little hope of ever getting them to run, even if they did have the right sort of AC power available. I know at least one such guy who's got several bits of "BigIron" from back when "real men" used mainframes. To me, even the 500 THz Pentium XXV with 64TB of 2 ps RAM and 100 Exabytes of HD space is junk if the PSU is down. I've still got rails and rails of old memory, logic, CPU's etc, and those are "just parts" as far as I'm concerned. I give 'em away when there's a need, and, well, they don't take up as much space as old computers do. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> To: "John Galt" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:36 AM Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY

Sorta "like the pot calling the kettle black" as Grandma would say. John Foust wrote:

Either a lot of people canceled their bids, or that guy bid himself up to 505$, when no one else had bid. (http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1296402506)506). Zach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.comTo: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.orgSent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Intel C8080A chip brings $565 on EBAY Festival ---- http://www.vintage.org

On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, John Galt wrote: Does this include microprocessors that are actually inside a machine? If so, then I claim that title :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, John Galt wrote: My questions is: why does this matter? Will researchers 50 years from now find the Purple one useful for any sort of study? What makes the Purple one special beyond just being a pretty if not questionable shade of purple? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Bob Shannon wrote: Cool. This knowledge is worth a whole lot more to me than $565. :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org