15 Aug
2014
15 Aug
'14
1:30 p.m.
On 08/15/2014 04:56 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
Any unit needs to be evaluated for internal components
which may not handle
shipping stresses and disassembled if possible before crating. CRT's should
never be left with the factory mounts anymore for instance.
On the back of that, are CRTs best shipped with the screen facing down, or
forwards? Presumably it's also wise to unplug the neck board from the CRT
and secure it. What do people do about the HV transformer? They're normally
bulky/heavy and can lack support other than the solder connections on the PCB.
I?ve shipped tons of stuff through The UPS Store. They always do a great job packing.?
Cameron
15 Aug
15 Aug
1:47 p.m.
On Aug 15, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Cameron Cooper <c at meron.cc> wrote:
On 08/15/2014 04:56 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
See my recent post about UPS loosing something. Grr.
TTFN - Guy
Any unit needs to be evaluated for internal
components which may not handle
shipping stresses and disassembled if possible before crating. CRT's should
never be left with the factory mounts anymore for instance.
On the back of that, are CRTs best shipped with the screen facing down, or
forwards? Presumably it's also wise to unplug the neck board from the CRT
and secure it. What do people do about the HV transformer? They're normally
bulky/heavy and can lack support other than the solder connections on the PCB.
I?ve shipped tons of stuff through The UPS Store. They always do a great job packing.
1:54 p.m.
On 8/15/2014 10:30 AM, Cameron Cooper wrote:
On 08/15/2014 04:56 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
Ones with plastic cases should be removed if possible from the case and
shipped in the hard foam. if that isn't possible, internal bracing is
all you can try.
I don't like the UPS Store they are spotty. I've had more fail at
shipping large items than succeed when shipping home. I use them for
shipping but not for packing. BTW if you can pack your item while
traveling, direct to the UPS centers is cheaper than the stores.
Also as a side note, the original question was from a shipper who sounds
like a real good guy. I had a friend buy a glass sided mechanical
Burroughs calculator a few years ago for $50 and paid $200 (yes, $150
extra) to get it packed right. Arrived in a single side box smashed.
Never dealt with any dealers again via mail. I can't blame him, but his
is one of the nightmare scenarios. Thankfully everyone here I would not
hesitate to buy from as all here I would rely on being competent and
attentive to getting items to buyers intact.
JIm
Any unit needs to be evaluated for internal
components which may not handle
shipping stresses and disassembled if possible before crating. CRT's should
never be left with the factory mounts anymore for instance.
On the back of that,
are CRTs best shipped with the screen facing down, or
forwards? Presumably it's also wise to unplug the neck board from the CRT
and secure it. What do people do about the HV transformer? They're normally
bulky/heavy and can lack support other than the solder connections on the PCB.
I?ve shipped tons of stuff through The UPS Store. They always do a great job packing.
Cameron
17 Aug
17 Aug
5:02 a.m.
I don't like the UPS Store they are spotty. I've had more fail at
shipping large items than succeed when shipping home. I use them for
shipping but not for packing. BTW if you can pack your item while
traveling, direct to the UPS centers is cheaper than the stores.
Some years ago, I bought a $5 integrated circuit from a supplier in the USA.
I wanted them to put it in a padded envelope, put a customs label on it and
give it to USPS. However, for international shipping, the supplier insisted
that they would only use some UPS service that supposedly covered all
transborder documentation, customs clearance, insurance and so on and cost
several times the value of the IC. I reluctantly agreed and had them send it
to my work address.
Unfortunately, the package arrived while I was out of the office at lunch.
Thinking he was doing me a favour, a colleague accepted delivery for me and
paid the $30 or so fee the UPS delivery man wanted to cover duty and customs
fees. Of course I reimbursed my colleague but if the package had arrived when
I was there, I would have refused to pay the charges which were a) supposedly
already covered and b) way over the top for an item worth $5 and had them
return it to sender if they were not happy with that.
Talking to UPS was like trying to get blood out of a stone but they eventually
said that the customs charges were levied because my supplier had declared the
value of the item as $100 or neglected to specify the value of the item in
which case they would assume a default value of $100 and their expensive
customs clearance service didn't actually cover customs duty and fees - it
only covered their filling in and sticking a customs label on the package and
giving it to the customs people for inspection.
The supplier claimed that they did decare the correct value of the package to
UPS but was good enough to reimburse me the $30 because of the all the grief
I had so I stopped persuing it with UPS. Bizarrely, out of the blue, nearly
a year later I think, I got an unexplained refund from UPS.
The upshot of all this is that if on payment of a hefty fee, they cannot even
organise to ship me a $5 integrated circuit without a huge amount of difficulty,
I am definately not going to trust UPS to ship anything bigger or more valuable.
I will not buy anything from anyone who insists on using UPS to ship to me. I
never want to have to deal with them again.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan
1:12 p.m.
On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Peter Coghlan <cctech
at beyondthepale.ie> wrote:
>
> I don't like the UPS Store they are spotty.
I will never use nor accept UPS shipping again. This customs brokerage scam they run is
well known, and has been documented. Even using my own brokerage firm has failed.
Despite full info on the brokerage existing in the shipping documentation, UPS insists on
telephone voice confirmation, or they charge for brokerage. A ridiculous amount.
Even after that, after voice confirmation, UPS _twice_ attempted to collect silly
brokerage fees from me. I refused, the agent left the packages here as I was about to
call UPS and bitch, and then the assholes actually sent the amounts to a collection
agency!
I explained to the CA that I had already paid the brokerage via another agent, and that
their client was committing criminal fraud; I then welcomed a lawsuit.
I have not heard a word since.
It may be that UPS is OK for domestic shipping, but their international service is a
serious scam.
And if UPS is listening: yes, you are criminals and scam artists. Come and get me if you
dare, truth is always a positive defense against libel and slander.
1:29 p.m.
Just for records: same here in Brazil.
enviado do meu telemovel
Em 17/08/2014 14:15, "Roe Peterson" <roeapeterson at gmail.com> escreveu:
On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Peter Coghlan
<cctech at beyondthepale.ie>
wrote:
>
> I don't like the UPS Store they are spotty.
I will never use nor accept UPS shipping again. This customs brokerage
scam they run is well known, and has been documented. Even using my own
brokerage firm has failed. Despite full info on the brokerage existing in
the shipping documentation, UPS insists on telephone voice confirmation, or
they charge for brokerage. A ridiculous amount.
Even after that, after voice confirmation, UPS _twice_ attempted to
collect silly brokerage fees from me. I refused, the agent left the
packages here as I was about to call UPS and bitch, and then the assholes
actually sent the amounts to a collection agency!
I explained to the CA that I had already paid the brokerage via another
agent, and that their client was committing criminal fraud; I then welcomed
a lawsuit.
I have not heard a word since.
It may be that UPS is OK for domestic shipping, but their international
service is a serious scam.
And if UPS is listening: yes, you are criminals and scam artists. Come
and get me if you dare, truth is always a positive defense against libel
and slander.
11:06 p.m.
office depot is a UPS rep, and they don't ship booze boxes either, but they
were nice enough to mark out the booze on one and put the other one in one
of their new boxes at no extra cost.
I had also had problems shipping UPS internationally.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Alexandre Souza <
alexandre.tabajara at gmail.com> wrote:
Just for records: same here in Brazil.
enviado do meu telemovel
Em 17/08/2014 14:15, "Roe Peterson" <roeapeterson at gmail.com>
escreveu:
in
On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Peter Coghlan
<cctech at beyondthepale.ie>
wrote:
>
> I don't like the UPS Store they are spotty.
I will never use nor accept UPS shipping again. This customs brokerage
scam they run is well known, and has been documented. Even using my own
brokerage firm has failed. Despite full info on the brokerage existing the shipping documentation, UPS insists on
telephone voice confirmation,
or
they charge for brokerage. A ridiculous amount.
Even after that, after voice confirmation, UPS _twice_ attempted to
collect silly brokerage fees from me. I refused, the agent left the
packages here as I was about to call UPS and bitch, and then the assholes
actually sent the amounts to a collection agency!
I explained to the CA that I had already paid the brokerage via another
agent, and that their client was committing criminal fraud; I then
welcomed
a lawsuit.
I have not heard a word since.
It may be that UPS is OK for domestic shipping, but their international
service is a serious scam.
And if UPS is listening: yes, you are criminals and scam artists. Come
and get me if you dare, truth is always a positive defense against libel
and slander.
15 Aug
15 Aug
2:21 p.m.
On Aug 15, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Cameron Cooper <c at meron.cc> wrote:
On 08/15/2014 04:56 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
For sufficiently large transformers, it?s common practice to ship them separately. For
example, amateur radio power amplifiers ? which have transformers rated at perhaps 3 kV
and 3 kW ? are often done that way.
For a PCB mounted transformer, removing it might be excessive, but it might be a good
compromise to install some sort of retaining strap.
paul
Any unit needs to be evaluated for internal
components which may not handle
shipping stresses and disassembled if possible before crating. CRT's should
never be left with the factory mounts anymore for instance.
On the back of that, are CRTs best shipped with the screen facing down, or
forwards? Presumably it's also wise to unplug the neck board from the CRT
and secure it. What do people do about the HV transformer? They're normally
bulky/heavy and can lack support other than the solder connections on the PCB.
3:05 p.m.
I bought a B & O 8000 through eBay from a person in CA who took it to a UPS
store to have it "professionally packaged". That plus shipping cost about
as much as the receiver.
Needless to say, it came in damaged, poorly packed, and I filed a claim
with UPS.
They picked it up, paid the shipper more than the sale price and shipping,
and he never repaid me. UPS would not talk to me, and I couldn't even get
the damaged one back.
I do not like the local UPS store, and the people I know at the local UPS
terminal don't like it either.
Paul
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Cameron Cooper <c at meron.cc> wrote:
On 08/15/2014 04:56 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
Any unit needs to be evaluated for internal
components which may not
handle
shipping stresses and disassembled if possible
before crating. CRT's
should
never be left with the factory mounts anymore for
instance.
On the back of that, are CRTs best shipped with the screen facing down, or
forwards? Presumably it's also wise to unplug the neck board from the CRT
and secure it. What do people do about the HV transformer? They're normally
bulky/heavy and can lack support other than the solder connections on the
PCB.
I?ve shipped tons of stuff through The UPS Store. They always do a great
job packing.
Cameron
3:10 p.m.
On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Paul Anderson <useddec at gmail.com> wrote:
I bought a B & O 8000 through eBay from a person
in CA who took it to a UPS
store to have it "professionally packaged". That plus shipping cost about
as much as the receiver.
Needless to say, it came in damaged, poorly packed, and I filed a claim
with UPS.
They picked it up, paid the shipper more than the sale price and shipping,
and he never repaid me. UPS would not talk to me, and I couldn't even get
the damaged one back.
But that makes sense. The shipper (presumably) paid UPS, so UPS?s contract is with the
shipper, and the damages are paid to the shipper.
If the shipper didn?t refund your money, that?s because the shipper is a crook, it?s not
UPS?s fault.
Yes, it shouldn?t have been busted, and if UPS did bad packaging, that clearly reflects on
them. But you have no contractual relationship with UPS as the recipient of a package, so
you shoudn?t have expected more from UPS than what you got.
Now if the package was shipped as ?bill recipient?, that?s different.
paul
3:22 p.m.
That is the point I was trying to make, that the receiver has no real
rights.
I would have liked to know how or where the equipment was disposed of.
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net> wrote:
On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Paul Anderson <useddec at gmail.com> wrote:
I bought a B & O 8000 through eBay from a
person in CA who took it to a
UPS
store to have it "professionally
packaged". That plus shipping cost about
as much as the receiver.
Needless to say, it came in damaged, poorly packed, and I filed a claim
with UPS.
They picked it up, paid the shipper more than the sale price and
shipping,
and he never repaid me. UPS would not talk to me,
and I couldn't even get
the damaged one back.
But that makes sense. The shipper (presumably) paid UPS, so UPS?s
contract is with the shipper, and the damages are paid to the shipper.
If the shipper didn?t refund your money, that?s because the shipper is a
crook, it?s not UPS?s fault.
Yes, it shouldn?t have been busted, and if UPS did bad packaging, that
clearly reflects on them. But you have no contractual relationship with
UPS as the recipient of a package, so you shoudn?t have expected more from
UPS than what you got.
Now if the package was shipped as ?bill recipient?, that?s different.
paul
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