17 Jan
2003
17 Jan
'03
11:25 a.m.
Oh, and FYI, no
matter what Apple says, if you can track down 8 4meg 32 pin simms
(remember those?) your se30 will happily address 32 megs of RAM.
Apple never denied that the SE/30 would address 32 meg of RAM. Its part
of the spec.
What they denied was that it can address 128 megs of RAM (8 16meg 30 pin
chips). That has been reported by many to work just fine.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
17 Jan
17 Jan
12:17 p.m.
*boggle* 128mb of RAM on an se30? Wow... but... it'd still take
forever to render a page in icab. You get a real appreciation for how
many cycles a web page is sucking up when you're on an se30 with
unaccelerated video. :)
On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 03:28 PM, chris wrote:
Oh, and FYI,
no
matter what Apple says, if you can track down 8 4meg 32 pin simms
(remember those?) your se30 will happily address 32 megs of RAM.
Apple never denied that the SE/30 would address 32 meg of RAM. Its part
of the spec.
What they denied was that it can address 128 megs of RAM (8 16meg 30
pin
chips). That has been reported by many to work just fine.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
1:30 p.m.
*boggle* 128mb of RAM on an se30? Wow... but...
it'd still take
forever to render a page in icab. You get a real appreciation for how
many cycles a web page is sucking up when you're on an se30 with
unaccelerated video. :)
It's not just on a system like that. Earlier this week I got my first SGI
system, a nice little O2. It's about the crappiest of the O2's, but it's
still a *very* nice UNIX workstation. I thought that it was doing OK at
surfing until yesterday when I wanted to check something on gamespot, it
absolutly crawled to a halt trying to render the pages (well the browser
did, the rest of the system was nice and responsive). I swear it took close
to 10 minutes to get to the third page (the one that had the data I was
curious about).
I think I'll now run the browser on my Linux box and retarget it to the
SGI's desktop (at least until I get an Octane).
Zane
5:16 p.m.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote:
It's not just on a system like that. Earlier this
week I got my first SGI
system, a nice little O2. It's about the crappiest of the O2's, but it's
still a *very* nice UNIX workstation. I thought that it was doing OK at
surfing until yesterday when I wanted to check something on gamespot, it
absolutly crawled to a halt trying to render the pages (well the browser
did, the rest of the system was nice and responsive). I swear it took close
to 10 minutes to get to the third page (the one that had the data I was
curious about).
I think I'll now run the browser on my Linux box and retarget it to the
SGI's desktop (at least until I get an Octane).
I'll wait to get an Onyx. Actually, the Origin 2000s are quite lovely,
too. They're still really off topic for this list.
-brian.
18 Jan
18 Jan
6:59 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions? was Re: Mac SE/30 accessories availability?
Wot about SGI Crimson's? (Or in my case, a Power Series frame, w/
Crimson boards in it) Or are they too new (and LARGE :-) ) for the
list?
(Now for the possibly Off List questions of my post)
I'd like to get hold of a Reality Engine for it as mine (alas) only has
a VGXT boardset. Anyone know where I could find one?
I'd also be interested if anyone has interfaced a Sun Type 5 mouse to
it, as they look like they use the same protocol, just one is +5v logic,
the other is RS232? (Maxim's MAX232's sound vaguely useful, but they're
hard to find around here in 1sie 2sie counts)
(The optical mouse I have for it is in too bad a shape to be really
usable anymore - the felts shot, and it sticks to the metal plate/mouse
pad too much for my tastes.)
The whole thing that torque's me off the worst about it is.. its 3x's
bigger than my PC, and its 3x's quieter... :)
Anyways, If I'm off list focus, someone point it out to me, and I'll
hush, and wait for the Apple II stuff to respond too.. :-)
David
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 23:19, Brian Chase wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Zane H. Healy wrote:
It's not just on a system like that. Earlier
this week I got my first SGI
system, a nice little O2. It's about the crappiest of the O2's, but it's
still a *very* nice UNIX workstation. I thought that it was doing OK at
surfing until yesterday when I wanted to check something on gamespot, it
absolutly crawled to a halt trying to render the pages (well the browser
did, the rest of the system was nice and responsive). I swear it took close
to 10 minutes to get to the third page (the one that had the data I was
curious about).
I think I'll now run the browser on my Linux box and retarget it to the
SGI's desktop (at least until I get an Octane).
I'll wait to get an Onyx. Actually, the Origin 2000s are quite lovely,
too. They're still really off topic for this list.
-brian.
9:29 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions?
On 18 Jan 2003, David Holland wrote:
Wot about SGI Crimson's? (Or in my case, a Power
Series frame, w/
Crimson boards in it) Or are they too new (and LARGE :-) ) for the
list?
Pfft! You call that large!? There are plenty of folks on this list
who'd mock the relatively dainty size of the SGI Power Series frames.
There are people on the list with IBM mainframes, PDP-10s, big VAXen,
and a few Crays.
(Now for the possibly Off List questions of my post)
I'd like to get hold of a Reality Engine for it as mine (alas) only has
a VGXT boardset. Anyone know where I could find one?
I'd also be interested if anyone has interfaced a Sun Type 5 mouse to
it, as they look like they use the same protocol, just one is +5v logic,
the other is RS232? (Maxim's MAX232's sound vaguely useful, but they're
hard to find around here in 1sie 2sie counts)
(The optical mouse I have for it is in too bad a shape to be really
usable anymore - the felts shot, and it sticks to the metal plate/mouse
pad too much for my tastes.)
I'll see if we have any spare older mice. I know at least with the Indy
and Indigo2s onward they all used regular PS/2 mice. I'm not sure about
the Onyx systems, or the gear predating the mid-1990s time frame. My
introduction to SGI equipment came around 1994 or so.
About a year ago my employer returned several pallets worth of Indigo2s
and Indys (~80-100 systems) to SGI for trade ins on Octane2s. It took
about 6 months for SGI to even bother to come and pick them up. I've a
feeling they all ended up being dumpstered once they got back to SGI.
Saving them was out of the question as a list of serial numbers had been
given to SGI; because they were trade ins, they actually had to be
traded in. It's too bad.
On another note, perhaps more related to the list, the new building that
the Computer History Museum is moving into is actually the old SGI
headquarters on Shoreline Dr. in Mountain View. It's a lovely building;
I can't wait until they get things prettied up and moved into the new
location.
-brian.
11:51 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions?
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Brian Chase wrote:
The SGI Crimson uses the same proprietary mouse/keyboard as the Indigo and
its predecessors, the power series and other personal iris'. The Onyx uses
the PS/2 keyb/mice like the Indy.
You can convert other early SGI keyboard/mice to work with an Indigo (and
thusly, Crimson)... Requires some pinout fiddling.
You can also convert a Sun-3 mouse to work as an Indigo mouse, however I
don't believe any keyboards which exist by other makes can be converted.
If you google for 'This Old SGI' you will find some info about the earlier
SGIs keyboard/mice, which may be able to help you.
JP
On 18 Jan 2003, David Holland wrote:
> Wot about SGI Crimson's? (Or in my case, a Power Series frame, w/
> Crimson boards in it) Or are they too new (and LARGE :-) ) for the
>
> I'd also be interested if anyone has interfaced a Sun Type 5 mouse to
> it, as they look like they use the same protocol, just one is +5v logic,
See
below;
(The optical
mouse I have for it is in too bad a shape to be really
usable anymore - the felts shot, and it sticks to the metal plate/mouse
pad too much for my tastes.)
I'll see if we have any spare older mice. I know
at least with the Indy
and Indigo2s onward they all used regular PS/2 mice. I'm not sure about
the Onyx systems, or the gear predating the mid-1990s time frame. My
introduction to SGI equipment came around 1994 or so.
19 Jan
19 Jan
5:16 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions?
Yup. That was the page I stumbled across a while ago that made me think
it was possible.
The reason I suspect it might be possible is I dug up the Mouse Systems
mouse protocol specifications (Which apparently the SGI proprietary
mouse uses), then dug up the Solaris8 mouse driver code, and looked at
it. The driver source looked like it implemented the mouse systems
protocol.
I'll have to go see if my buddy submitted that order or no, and see what
comes of my theory.... (Prolly a lot of nothing, but eh... Its
interesting to give it a whirl, and it doesn't cost much.)
Nobody commented on my Reality Engine question.... Anyone at least know
what a reasonable price tag is these days, so I can even know if its
within the budget....?
Thanks,
David
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 17:49, JP Hindin wrote:
introduction to SGI equipment came around 1994 or so.
The SGI Crimson uses the same proprietary mouse/keyboard as the Indigo and
its predecessors, the power series and other personal iris'. The Onyx uses
the PS/2 keyb/mice like the Indy.
You can convert other early SGI keyboard/mice to work with an Indigo (and
thusly, Crimson)... Requires some pinout fiddling.
You can also convert a Sun-3 mouse to work as an Indigo mouse, however I
don't believe any keyboards which exist by other makes can be converted.
If you google for 'This Old SGI' you will find some info about the earlier
SGIs keyboard/mice, which may be able to help you.
JP
6:58 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions?
On 19 Jan 2003, David Holland wrote:
The reason I suspect it might be possible is I dug up
the Mouse Systems
mouse protocol specifications (Which apparently the SGI proprietary
mouse uses), then dug up the Solaris8 mouse driver code, and looked at
it. The driver source looked like it implemented the mouse systems
protocol.
Although I don't have the proper MouseSystems mouse for my Indigo (I
bought it sans keyb/mouse, sigh), I do have a Type-3 mouse for my Sun 386i
which is, for intents and purposes, pretty much identical to the
MouseSystems optical mouse I use on my linux workstation... I guess
MouseSystems must have made mice for all manner of machine
applications. Good for them I suppose.
JP
8:24 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions?
On 18 Jan 2003, David Holland wrote:
No, I call that to large for me. It would take away space from what little
room I have for my PDP-11's and VAXen :^) I for one will stick with
systems such as the O2 and Octane when it comes to SGI!
Zane
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Wot about SGI Crimson's? (Or in my case, a
Power Series frame, w/
Crimson boards in it) Or are they too new (and LARGE :-) ) for the
list?
Pfft! You call that large!? There are plenty of folks on this list
who'd mock the relatively dainty size of the SGI Power Series frames.
There are people on the list with IBM mainframes, PDP-10s, big VAXen,
and a few Crays.
9:13 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions?
:-)
Its about as large as I'd want in a machine that lives in non-datacenter
facilities.
Besides, the 3yr old loves to stand in front if it and play with "his"
computer. :-)
David
On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 14:27, Zane H. Healy wrote:
On 18 Jan 2003,
David Holland wrote:
No, I call that to large for me. It would take away space from what little
room I have for my PDP-11's and VAXen :^) I for one will stick with
systems such as the O2 and Octane when it comes to SGI!
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | Wot about SGI Crimson's? (Or in my case, a
Power Series frame, w/
Crimson boards in it) Or are they too new (and LARGE :-) ) for the
list?
Pfft! You call that large!? There are plenty of folks on this list
who'd mock the relatively dainty size of the SGI Power Series frames.
There are people on the list with IBM mainframes, PDP-10s, big VAXen,
and a few Crays. 
18 Jan
18 Jan
10:05 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions? was Re: Mac SE/30 accessories availability?
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, David Holland wrote:
(The optical mouse I have for it is in too bad a shape
to be really
usable anymore - the felts shot, and it sticks to the metal plate/mouse
pad too much for my tastes.)
Uh..
Or you could go spend $1 on some felt and glue at the craft store, and fix
it.
ok
r.
9:03 p.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions? was Re: Mac SE/30 accessories availability?
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 01:07 PM, David Holland wrote:
I'd also be interested if anyone has interfaced a
Sun Type 5 mouse to
it, as they look like they use the same protocol, just one is +5v
logic,
the other is RS232? (Maxim's MAX232's sound vaguely useful, but
they're
hard to find around here in 1sie 2sie counts)
Around where? You can order them from places like Mouser Electronics
in single quantities.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "She's a cheek pincher. I have scars."
St. Petersburg, FL -Gary Nichols
19 Jan
19 Jan
3:54 a.m.
New subject: SGI Discussions? was Re: Mac SE/30 accessories availability?
Dayton, Ohio.
I was trying to find them locally..
Buddy of mine, and I are going to end up pooling our order and send one
into Jameco..
David
Sun, 2003-01-19 at 02:54, Dave McGuire wrote:
On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 01:07 PM, David
Holland wrote:
I'd also be interested if anyone has
interfaced a Sun Type 5 mouse to
it, as they look like they use the same protocol, just one is +5v
logic,
the other is RS232? (Maxim's MAX232's sound vaguely useful, but
they're
hard to find around here in 1sie 2sie counts)
Around where? You can order them from places like Mouser Electronics
in single quantities.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire "She's a cheek pincher. I have scars."
St. Petersburg, FL -Gary Nichols
17 Jan
17 Jan
4:40 p.m.
*boggle* 128mb of RAM on an se30? Wow...
I have 128MB in my NetBSD IIci. It takes forever to do the memory test, but
it never, ever, ever swaps ;-)
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12:56 p.m.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, chris wrote:
I dunno about 128, but my SE/30 runs A/UX with 64MB (4 x 16MB), no
probs.
Doc
Oh, and FYI,
no
matter what Apple says, if you can track down 8 4meg 32 pin simms
(remember those?) your se30 will happily address 32 megs of RAM.
Apple never denied that the SE/30 would address 32 meg of RAM. Its part
of the spec.
What they denied was that it can address 128 megs of RAM (8 16meg 30 pin
chips). That has been reported by many to work just fine.
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