Hi, Somebody told us, that this company didn't reponse to eMails, and so I try out. I get this answer within 24 h: Hi Gerhard, Yes, you can order DEC handles and cards through me. The handles only come in white. They are .55 each. Let me know the part numbers you are interested in, and I will give you current pricing and availability. Best Regards, Claire Eichner ________________________________ Claire Eichner, Office Manager Douglas Electronics, Inc. Tel: +1 (510) 483-8770 x20 Fax: +1 (510) 483-6453 E-mail: claire.eichner at douglas.com Problem solved? With best regards Gerhard -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Im Auftrag von cctalk-request at classiccmp.org Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2011 19:00 An: cctalk at classiccmp.org Betreff: cctalk Digest, Vol 93, Issue 17 Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk at classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Unibus extender cards (Dave McGuire) 2. And then there were three.. (Michael Thompson) 3. Re: Unibus extender cards (Paul Popelka) 4. Re: And then there were three.. (Adrian Stoness) 5. RE: Unibus extender cards (Ian King) 6. RE: pdp11 CPU on S100 board? (Rod Smallwood) 7. Re: pdp11 CPU on S100 board? (Shoppa, Tim) 8. Re: Unibus extender cards (Dave McGuire) 9. Re: Unibus extender cards (Chris Elmquist) 10. Google Lisa List (Steven Hirsch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:47:51 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> Subject: Re: Unibus extender cards To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4DC9F8D7.5080307 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 5/10/11 9:59 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote: I'm in, but not for a couple of months. It'll probably take that long to get one together. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 20:48:15 -0400 From: Michael Thompson <michael.99.thompson at gmail.com> Subject: And then there were three.. To: cctech at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <BANLkTimHoinw2xcuUHV-KMRcO9izB9V9Fw at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Through a generous donation the Rhode Island Computer Museum now has three PDP-8/S systems. The first PDP-8/S is a rack mount, S/N 517, and was donated earlier this year. It is operational, but still needs some more testing to insure that everything works OK. It does run FOCAL and Fortran, so I suspect that everything is OK. The second PDP-8/S is a desktop, S/N 857. The third PDP-8/S is a rack mount, S/N 537. Both were donated today. Both of these systems will need extensive cleaning and restoration. The rack mount system came with an OMD8S memory/data-break expansion chassis, S/N 96. The OMD8/S only has a single 4 KW core plane installed. During the week I will post pictures and an inventory of the two recent dontations on the RICM Warehouse WWW page. -- Michael Thompson ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:18:59 -0700 From: "Paul Popelka" <trenchdweller at att.net> Subject: Re: Unibus extender cards To: <cctech at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <002f01cc0f81$ca28c890$6563a8c0 at geek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Douglas Electronics lists these as available. Look here: http://www.douglas.com/hardware/pcbs/breadboards/digital.html near the bottom of the page. But, ..... you need to buy 10. Maybe you could by a double and a quad and use them together. You only need to buy 1 of each of those. Paul ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 00:46:33 -0500 From: Adrian Stoness <tdk.knight at gmail.com> Subject: Re: And then there were three.. To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <BANLkTik4XghO0zSJae_fTR7LwgGt6p3Psg at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 nice On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Michael Thompson < michael.99.thompson at gmail.com> wrote: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 23:04:15 -0700 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> Subject: RE: Unibus extender cards To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Cc: Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> Message-ID: <FF6AB92D97A23A409701CDBF66F03FCD03E0F38DB9 at 505fuji> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I didn't get response to email either, so I called them, and they were very nice folks. I think they have a weird email distribution protocol. -- Ian ________________________________________ From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris Elmquist [chrise at pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:59 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only Cc: Rich Alderson Subject: Re: Unibus extender cards On Tuesday (05/10/2011 at 02:44PM -0700), Don North wrote: Are they still in business? If so, perhaps they do not do it by email? Numerous email to them from here have gone unanswered. I'm another guy needing Unibus extender board(s) so if a group buy or something similar comes together, add me to the list. Chris -- Chris Elmquist ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:20:35 +0100 From: "Rod Smallwood" <rodsmallwood at btconnect.com> Subject: RE: pdp11 CPU on S100 board? To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only'" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <36BDE41E23F84F71AF957429CEA72C93 at RODSDEVSYSTEM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anybody explain how the Mentec boards fit into all of this. My understanding was they were the next generation of PDP11. There still seems to be a mystery around what happened to the rights to PDP11 they held. I have seen a recent reference to them having been sold to an unnamed American company who would quote 'Make them available'. Can anybody solve the mystery of what actually happened? ? Rod Smallwood -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bob Armstrong Sent: 10 May 2011 14:49 To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Cc: 'Allison' Subject: RE: pdp11 CPU on S100 board? Did you build a T-11 system? Can you post more information ? FWIW, RSX-11S will run on an unmapped system. Of course RSX-11S was intended for "embedded" applications and it's not very useful as a general purpose OS. And in theory you can build RSX-11S systems on an RSX=11M or M+ system, but I'm not sure all the stuff you need is part of the standard M/M+ distribution so it might be hard to come up with the necessary files. Didn't at least some DSSI drives, like the RX7x, have embedded T11s that ran RSX-11S? Bob ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:23:59 -0400 From: "Shoppa, Tim" <tshoppa at wmata.com> Subject: Re: pdp11 CPU on S100 board? To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <B136EDE3DF5EC441B6F08E0A7AB872450D71E3BA11 at EX2K7-CMS-1.wmata.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The early Mentec boards had real DEC J-11's and onboard memory And serial ports (not too conceptually different than 11/53's or 11/93's). This spans the M70 through M100. Toward the end Of this era a big crimp was that J-11's were becoming unavailable (even via Clever routes like removal from old HSC's). Later Mentec boards (after J-11's dried up completely) went to high density TI bitslices and then custom ASICs. This is the M11 and M1. Mentec was all Q-bus. (AFAICT). As the Q-bus peripheral market dried up in The late 90's I remember some talk amongst the Mentec guys of making a M11 or M1 with onboard MSCP-compatible controller for ATA or SCSI drives but I don't think this ever got off the ground. Others made J11 CPU boards too for Q-bus, Unibus, ISA bus, etc. And there were others who sold DEC-compatible CPU's using bitslice and other higher integration techniques (e.g. QED/Quickware). The Mentec and others' main selling points, were cheaper prices and higher Levels of integration on the CPU board (thus reducing total system price). Tim. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:04:23 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> Subject: Re: Unibus extender cards To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <4DCA9767.8070707 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 5/10/11 10:18 PM, Paul Popelka wrote: need I see no reason why that wouldn't work. I've used two duals side-by-side as a quad. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 09:06:49 -0500 From: Chris Elmquist <chrise at pobox.com> Subject: Re: Unibus extender cards To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> Message-ID: <20110511140649.GA21661 at n0jcf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tuesday (05/10/2011 at 11:04PM -0700), Ian King wrote: very nice folks. I think they have a weird email distribution protocol. -- Ian OK. Roger that. I was hoping to get them to offer some pictures of their various prototype boards too as I am interested in those as well but find it hard to visualize what the hole patterns and other routing really are on them. Chris Behalf Of Chris Elmquist [chrise at pobox.com] willing the to -- Chris Elmquist ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> Subject: Google Lisa List To: Classic Computers Mailing List <cctech at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1105111107160.6127 at duo> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know who owns this list and how to get in touch with them? I joined last month, made about three totally innocuous postings and found myself banned at the next attempt to sign in. Google, in their infinite wisdom, gives you no means to find out if it's a mistake, appeal to the owner, or even get an explanation for why it's occurred! I sent a message to the posting address with no response. I had been given the name of "lowenddan at gmail.com" as list owner, but cannot get any response from that address either. Is there something I should know about becoming worthy of Lisa List membership? Perhaps a secret handshake I've overlooked? I contacted a couple of members privately, and both were utterly baffled as to what the motivation may have been. I'm still operating on the assumption that this is a software glitch or mistake. If I've been thrown off as a deliberate action, then I think it's common courtesy for the list owner to at least explain why this occurred. Steve -- End of cctalk Digest, Vol 93, Issue 17 **************************************