23 Feb
2016
23 Feb
'16
8:23 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Richard Loken <rlloken at telus.net> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote:
But those are Computer Games! Not computer games. It is a long time
since I have played rogue.
I've been meaning to ask this question since I started cleaning up
terminals this year... what are some favorites? Some of the obvious
classics are:
Adventure
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Scott Adams Adventures
Wumpus
Anything in Dave Ahl's "101 BASIC Computing Games"
Empire
Star Trek
rogue/hack
Larn/Ularn
But what are some other favorites? I've been running a monthly
"retrogaming night" at our Makerspace and so far have brought out a
C-64, a PPC Mac, and an 8032 PET. I'm looking to add a PDP-8 (via
Oscar Vermuelen's PiDP-8, for portability) and (at first) a simh RT-11
box and/or VAX running VMS, though I have plenty of real DEC gear -
it's a matter of transport and storage space). I have a VT220 and an
IBM 3101 (very VT52-like with a working terminfo entry) already on
site and can add additional terminals if this becomes popular (I may
drag in a VT52 just for the excuse to clean one up).
I have the Commodore end pretty well covered. I'm looking for
suggestions for 80x24 text games that can be played on an ANSI (VT100)
terminal and especially non-ANSI (VT52 or that IBM 3101) on
Unix/Linux, VMS, and RT-11. So in general, anything that uses curses
or direct ANSI sequences or just spews text to a glass tty.
-ethan
Computer
games require all you can give them [...]
Only if your idea of "games" is "slick-looking realtime 3D-rendering
games". There are lots of games that work perfectly well on 3100-class
(and even slower) machines, such as roguelikes (rogue, larn, hack,
etc), text adventures (ADVENT, DUNGEON, etc), phantasia, Seahaven,
Klondike...the list is long. 
23 Feb
23 Feb
8:29 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Richard Loken
<rlloken at telus.net> wrote:
I never checked, I did not know there were VAX games that you could
download/compile and run locally. One of my VAXen has BASIC installed, but
most are mostly file servers. I'd like to learn more myself.
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote:
But those are Computer Games! Not computer games. It is a long time
since I have played rogue.
I've been meaning to ask this question since I started cleaning up
terminals this year... what are some favorites? Some of the obvious
classics are:
Adventure
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Scott Adams Adventures
Wumpus
Anything in Dave Ahl's "101 BASIC Computing Games"
Empire
Star Trek
rogue/hack
Larn/Ularn
But what are some other favorites? I've been running a monthly
"retrogaming night" at our Makerspace and so far have brought out a
C-64, a PPC Mac, and an 8032 PET. I'm looking to add a PDP-8 (via
Oscar Vermuelen's PiDP-8, for portability) and (at first) a simh RT-11
box and/or VAX running VMS, though I have plenty of real DEC gear -
it's a matter of transport and storage space). I have a VT220 and an
IBM 3101 (very VT52-like with a working terminfo entry) already on
site and can add additional terminals if this becomes popular (I may
drag in a VT52 just for the excuse to clean one up).
I have the Commodore end pretty well covered. I'm looking for
suggestions for 80x24 text games that can be played on an ANSI (VT100)
terminal and especially non-ANSI (VT52 or that IBM 3101) on
Unix/Linux, VMS, and RT-11. So in general, anything that uses curses
or direct ANSI sequences or just spews text to a glass tty.
-ethan
Computer
games require all you can give them [...]
Only if your idea of "games" is "slick-looking realtime 3D-rendering
games". There are lots of games that work perfectly well on 3100-class
(and even slower) machines, such as roguelikes (rogue, larn, hack,
etc), text adventures (ADVENT, DUNGEON, etc), phantasia, Seahaven,
Klondike...the list is long.
8:37 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:29 AM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
Back in the day when I used VAXen and terminals all day, every day, we
had a variety of exectutable games for VMS (and we never had BASIC on
that machine). One of the most popular was EMPIRE (to disambiguate,
this EMPIRE was a single-player, random world with armies, planes and
ships where you captured a city, changed its production and took over
the world - binary only, source never released). I also ported a
number of UNIX games acquired from comp.sources.games and
comp.games.unix to VMS with a VMS curses library and a C compiler
(Whitesmith's C, which we used for our own development, and later,
VAX-C) including rogue and Larn. I had the Infotaskforce "pinfocom"
Z-machine when it was _the_ 3rd-party Z-machine. In the FORTRAN
realm, there's ADVENT and DUNGEON (Bob Supnik's port of Zork) and I'm
sure plenty more. These I have on old backup images (and probably on
the 8300 in the basement). I'm looking for stuff I might not have
known of 25-30 years ago.
-ethan
... 80x24 text games that can be played on an
ANSI (VT100)
terminal and especially non-ANSI (VT52 or that IBM 3101) on
Unix/Linux, VMS, and RT-11.
I never checked, I did not know there were VAX games that you could
download/compile and run locally. One of my VAXen has BASIC installed, but
most are mostly file servers. I'd like to learn more myself. 
9:11 a.m.
On Feb 23, 2016, at 08:37, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks
at gmail.com> wrote:
Back in the day when I used VAXen and terminals all day, every day, we
had a variety of exectutable games for VMS (and we never had BASIC on
that machine). One of the most popular was EMPIRE (to disambiguate,
this EMPIRE was a single-player, random world with armies, planes and
ships where you captured a city, changed its production and took over
the world - binary only, source never released).
Is the VAX/VMS binary for this game archived anywhere? I'd love to try playing it on
my 11/730 sometime!
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
8:54 a.m.
On 23 February 2016 at 16:23, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Richard Loken
<rlloken at telus.net> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote:
But those are Computer Games! Not computer games. It is a long time
since I have played rogue.
I've been meaning to ask this question since I started cleaning up
terminals this year... what are some favorites? Some of the obvious
classics are:
Adventure
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Scott Adams Adventures
Wumpus
Anything in Dave Ahl's "101 BASIC Computing Games"
Empire
Star Trek
rogue/hack
Larn/Ularn
But what are some other favorites? I've been running a monthly
"retrogaming night" at our Makerspace and so far have brought out a
C-64, a PPC Mac, and an 8032 PET. I'm looking to add a PDP-8 (via
Oscar Vermuelen's PiDP-8, for portability) and (at first) a simh RT-11
box and/or VAX running VMS, though I have plenty of real DEC gear -
it's a matter of transport and storage space). I have a VT220 and an
IBM 3101 (very VT52-like with a working terminfo entry) already on
site and can add additional terminals if this becomes popular (I may
drag in a VT52 just for the excuse to clean one up). Computer
games require all you can give them [...]
Only if your idea of "games" is "slick-looking realtime 3D-rendering
games". There are lots of games that work perfectly well on 3100-class
(and even slower) machines, such as roguelikes (rogue, larn, hack,
etc), text adventures (ADVENT, DUNGEON, etc), phantasia, Seahaven,
Klondike...the list is long. From the old BSD games there were a couple of
multiplayer games I
remember playing - sail ("wooden ships and iron men"),
and hunt
(possibly the original unix deathmatch)
I remember dialing in on an 1200/75 modem to play hunt against other
students on hardwired terminals and sun workstations. I could normally
stay at the top of the scoreboard until a volcano erupted (just too
many screen updates swamped the link :).
I even wrote a BBC terminal emulator and matching termcap entry to
optimise the speed and number of characters required for update, to
eke every character out of that bandwidth :-p
For a later fun terminal based game, sokoban consumed a few hours
10:41 a.m.
From: Ethan Dicks
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:23 AM
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Ethan,
You should know better. Zork originated on a PDP-10 running ITS. I first
encountered it on a TOPS-20 system, since the folks at the Dynamic Modeling
Lab ported their variant of Lisp to TENEX and TOPS-20.
It's publicly available to play on the Toad-2 at LCM, and I removed the
office hours check from the startup program years and years and year ago.
:-) :-) :-) :-) <-- for the humor-impaired.
Rich
P.S. There is also a copy of EMPIRE, though I think there's a problem under
the modern monitor. Probably would work fine on a KS running 4.1.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
10:47 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Rich Alderson
<RichA at livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote:
From: Ethan Dicks
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:23 AM
Of course I do.
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Ethan,
You should know better. Zork originated on a PDP-10 running ITS.
Of course it did.
I first
encountered it on a TOPS-20 system, since the folks at the Dynamic Modeling
Lab ported their variant of Lisp to TENEX and TOPS-20.
I didn't get to play it on 36-bit hardware until you gave me an
account. I've also run it on the klh10/Panda distro.
It's publicly available to play on the Toad-2 at
LCM, and I removed the
office hours check from the startup program years and years and year ago.
I can easily set people up in front of a real tube on a Linux box and
telnet through to the Toad-2.
P.S. There is also a copy of EMPIRE, though I think
there's a problem under
the modern monitor. Probably would work fine on a KS running 4.1.
I'm sure I have EMPIRE for VMS on pretty much any VAX I have ever set
up. I was just reading up that there's a modern re-implementation in
C but it looks extended from the game I remember (satellites, in
particular, I don't recall from 1986).
-ethan
12:04 p.m.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Rich Alderson
<RichA at livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote:
From: Ethan Dicks
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:23 AM
Do you have Haunt running there? I'll have to figure out how to get
that running on emulation or real hardware sometime.
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Ethan,
You should know better. Zork originated on a PDP-10 running ITS. I first
encountered it on a TOPS-20 system, since the folks at the Dynamic Modeling
Lab ported their variant of Lisp to TENEX and TOPS-20.
It's publicly available to play on the Toad-2 at LCM, and I removed the
office hours check from the startup program years and years and year ago.
2:33 p.m.
From: Glen Slick
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:04 PM
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Rich Alderson
<RichA at livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote:
> publicly available to play on the Toad-2 at LCM,
and I removed the
> office hours check from the startup program years and years and year ago.
Do you have Haunt running there? I'll have to
figure out how to get
that running on emulation or real hardware sometime.
I've never gotten HAUNT to run (well, maybe once, c. 1982). It's a Tops-10
program that doesn't play well with PA1050, that OS emulation package that
maps Tops-10 I/O to TENEX/TOPS-20. I should try putting it on the Dec-10
here. In my copious spare time.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98134
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
26 Feb
26 Feb
4:04 p.m.
On February 23, 2016 10:41:08 AM PST, Rich Alderson <RichA at
LivingComputerMuseum.org> wrote:
From: Ethan Dicks
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:23 AM
One of my ongoing wish projects is to learn to program a pdp-10 so I can port
Frotz to it.
--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Ethan,
You should know better. Zork originated on a PDP-10 running ITS. I
first
encountered it on a TOPS-20 system, since the folks at the Dynamic
Modeling
Lab ported their variant of Lisp to TENEX and TOPS-20.
It's publicly available to play on the Toad-2 at LCM, and I removed the
office hours check from the startup program years and years and year
ago. 
23 Feb
23 Feb
10:53 a.m.
On 23/02/2016 16:23, "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
I've been meaning to ask this question since I
started cleaning up
terminals this year... what are some favorites? Some of the obvious
classics are:
Adventure
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Scott Adams Adventures
Wumpus
Anything in Dave Ahl's "101 BASIC Computing Games"
Empire
Star Trek
rogue/hack
Larn/Ularn
ADVENT on RT11 and I remember a VMS game that I might still have kicking
around on one of my VAXen called MONSTA which had a slightly more difficult
variant as MONSTB. Oh and WUMPUS of course.
--
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?
25 Feb
25 Feb
7:01 p.m.
A few more (I have source):
Hockey
Fleet (sort of battleship game)
Football
Lunar Lander (of course!)
Blackjack
Lots and lots of printer art
--Chuck
26 Feb
26 Feb
3:46 a.m.
2016-02-26 4:01 GMT+01:00 Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>:
A few more (I have source):
Hockey
Fleet (sort of battleship game)
Football
Lunar Lander (of course!)
Blackjack
Lots and lots of printer art
--Chuck
When at Retrogathering in V?ster?s (Sweden) a month a ago we demonstrated
ASCII Mandelbrot (BASIC) on a VT100 generated by a PDP-11/03 . Takes quite
a while for it to do it.
http://i.imgur.com/v6FI5Cd.jpg
There is also a poker game that's work well under RT-11 BASIC and
CAPS-11/BASIC.
/Mattis
7:31 p.m.
Mattis Lind wrote:
2016-02-26 4:01
GMT+01:00 Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>:
A few more (I have source):
Hockey
Fleet (sort of battleship game)
Football
Lunar Lander (of course!)
Blackjack
Lots and lots of printer art
--Chuck
When at Retrogathering in V?ster?s (Sweden) a month a ago we demonstrated
ASCII Mandelbrot (BASIC) on a VT100 generated by a PDP-11/03 . Takes quite
a while for it to do it.
http://i.imgur.com/v6FI5Cd.jpg
There is also a poker game that's work well under RT-11 BASIC and
CAPS-11/BASIC.
/Mattis
11:19 p.m.
When at Retrogathering in V?ster?s (Sweden) a month a
ago we demonstrated
ASCII Mandelbrot (BASIC) on a VT100 generated by a PDP-11/03 .
Takes quite
a while for it to do it.
http://i.imgur.com/v6FI5Cd.jpg
There is also a poker game that's work well under RT-11 BASIC and
CAPS-11/BASIC.
/Mattis
Do you have the source code for the Mandelbrot demonstration and can you
27 Feb
27 Feb
6:37 p.m.
Okay, so "dumb terminal games" do require a terminal of some sort. Back
in the day of punched cards, however, terminals were expensive and not
frequently encountered, but for the operator's console.
Given that, how many games can one think of that were played with card
input and printer output?
I can think of lots of character art, but not one single game.
--Chuck
8:11 p.m.
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Okay, so "dumb terminal games" do require a
terminal of some sort. Back in
the day of punched cards, however, terminals were expensive and not
frequently encountered, but for the operator's console.
Given that, how many games can one think of that were played with card input
and printer output?
I can think of lots of character art, but not one single game.
I'm pretty sure someone has done chess that way.
--
David Griffith
dave at 661.org
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
8:21 p.m.
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 8:11 PM, David Griffith <dave at 661.org> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Okay, so "dumb terminal games" do require a terminal of some sort. Back
I remember seeing someone in the mid '70s working on a Monopoly game using
punch cards and printout on a CDC 6000 class machine.
-- Charles
in the day of punched cards, however, terminals
were expensive and not
frequently encountered, but for the operator's console.
Given that, how many games can one think of that were played with card
input and printer output?
I can think of lots of character art, but not one single game.
I'm pretty sure someone has done chess that way.
8:23 p.m.
On 02/27/2016 08:11 PM, David Griffith wrote:
Dunno, my first encounter with Chess was Chess 3.0--it interacted using
the operator's console. But I suppose a game state could have been
filed away and resurrected for the next move. It's been too long.
I do recall a maze generator that could create mazes of any size.
--Chuck
I can think of
lots of character art, but not one single game.
I'm pretty sure someone has done chess that way. 
11:37 p.m.
On 2016-Feb-27, at 8:23 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 02/27/2016 08:11 PM, David Griffith wrote:
Dunno, my first encounter with Chess was Chess 3.0--it interacted using the
operator's console. But I suppose a game state could have been filed away and
resurrected for the next move. It's been too long.
Bernstein's chess (1957) for the IBM 704 used front-panel switch input with printer
output.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT_Un3xo1qE
I can
think of lots of character art, but not one single game.
I'm pretty sure someone has done chess that way. 
28 Feb
28 Feb
12:12 p.m.
On 02/26/2016 05:46 AM, Mattis Lind wrote:
When at Retrogathering in V?ster?s (Sweden) a month a
ago we demonstrated
ASCII Mandelbrot (BASIC) on a VT100 generated by a PDP-11/03 . Takes quite
a while for it to do it.
http://i.imgur.com/v6FI5Cd.jpg
I like that. I just unearthed an ASCII Mandelbrot program I'd written as a
Unix shell script the other day.
24 Feb
24 Feb
6:28 a.m.
A big favorite around our campus was Conquest (multi player space battle) on a vax.
-Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 10:23 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Dumb Terminal games (was Re: Looking for a small fast VAX development machine)
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:38 AM, Richard Loken <rlloken at telus.net> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2016, Mouse wrote:
But those are Computer Games! Not computer games. It is a long time
since I have played rogue.
I've been meaning to ask this question since I started cleaning up terminals this
year... what are some favorites? Some of the obvious classics are:
Adventure
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Scott Adams Adventures
Wumpus
Anything in Dave Ahl's "101 BASIC Computing Games"
Empire
Star Trek
rogue/hack
Larn/Ularn
But what are some other favorites? I've been running a monthly "retrogaming
night" at our Makerspace and so far have brought out a C-64, a PPC Mac, and an 8032
PET. I'm looking to add a PDP-8 (via Oscar Vermuelen's PiDP-8, for portability)
and (at first) a simh RT-11 box and/or VAX running VMS, though I have plenty of real DEC
gear - it's a matter of transport and storage space). I have a VT220 and an IBM 3101
(very VT52-like with a working terminfo entry) already on site and can add additional
terminals if this becomes popular (I may drag in a VT52 just for the excuse to clean one
up).
I have the Commodore end pretty well covered. I'm looking for suggestions for 80x24
text games that can be played on an ANSI (VT100) terminal and especially non-ANSI (VT52 or
that IBM 3101) on Unix/Linux, VMS, and RT-11. So in general, anything that uses curses or
direct ANSI sequences or just spews text to a glass tty.
-ethan
Computer
games require all you can give them [...]
Only if your idea of "games" is "slick-looking realtime 3D-rendering
games". There are lots of games that work perfectly well on
3100-class (and even slower) machines, such as roguelikes (rogue,
larn, hack, etc), text adventures (ADVENT, DUNGEON, etc), phantasia,
Seahaven, Klondike...the list is long.
25 Feb
25 Feb
8:21 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I've been meaning to ask this question since I
started cleaning up
terminals this year... what are some favorites? Some of the obvious
classics are:
Adventure
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Scott Adams Adventures
Wumpus
Anything in Dave Ahl's "101 BASIC Computing Games"
Empire
Star Trek
rogue/hack
Larn/Ularn
But what are some other favorites? I've been running a monthly
"retrogaming night" at our Makerspace and so far have brought out a
C-64, a PPC Mac, and an 8032 PET. I'm looking to add a PDP-8 (via
Oscar Vermuelen's PiDP-8, for portability) and (at first) a simh RT-11
box and/or VAX running VMS, though I have plenty of real DEC gear -
it's a matter of transport and storage space). I have a VT220 and an
IBM 3101 (very VT52-like with a working terminfo entry) already on
site and can add additional terminals if this becomes popular (I may
drag in a VT52 just for the excuse to clean one up).
I have the Commodore end pretty well covered. I'm looking for
suggestions for 80x24 text games that can be played on an ANSI (VT100)
terminal and especially non-ANSI (VT52 or that IBM 3101) on
Unix/Linux, VMS, and RT-11. So in general, anything that uses curses
or direct ANSI sequences or just spews text to a glass tty.
The only game I ever played consistently was the RT-11 SST (Super Start
Trek)
version of Star Trek which is still available at:
http://www.dbit.com/pub/pdp11/rt11/games/
Jerome Fine
9:14 a.m.
I use to play a version of Star Trek on an HP2000. Not a dumb terminal but
a Teletype 35. Having the paper roll came in very handy.
-pete
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Jerome H. Fine <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to>
wrote:
Ethan Dicks
wrote:
I've been meaning to ask this question since I started cleaning up
terminals this year... what are some favorites?
Some of the obvious
classics are:
Adventure
Zork (and anything else on a Zmachine)
Scott Adams Adventures
Wumpus
Anything in Dave Ahl's "101 BASIC Computing Games"
Empire
Star Trek
rogue/hack
Larn/Ularn
But what are some other favorites? I've been running a monthly
"retrogaming night" at our Makerspace and so far have brought out a
C-64, a PPC Mac, and an 8032 PET. I'm looking to add a PDP-8 (via
Oscar Vermuelen's PiDP-8, for portability) and (at first) a simh RT-11
box and/or VAX running VMS, though I have plenty of real DEC gear -
it's a matter of transport and storage space). I have a VT220 and an
IBM 3101 (very VT52-like with a working terminfo entry) already on
site and can add additional terminals if this becomes popular (I may
drag in a VT52 just for the excuse to clean one up).
I have the Commodore end pretty well covered. I'm looking for
suggestions for 80x24 text games that can be played on an ANSI (VT100)
terminal and especially non-ANSI (VT52 or that IBM 3101) on
Unix/Linux, VMS, and RT-11. So in general, anything that uses curses
or direct ANSI sequences or just spews text to a glass tty.
The only game I ever played consistently was the RT-11 SST (Super Start
Trek)
version of Star Trek which is still available at:
http://www.dbit.com/pub/pdp11/rt11/games/
Jerome Fine
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