20 Nov
2001
20 Nov
'01
9:49 a.m.
It works pretty much the same as Netscape, just looks
a bit different,
(especially if you install alternave buttons etc.) - nothing you can't
easily understand from a litle Netscape experience.
Now Cyberdog - that *was* different ;-)
And still is. I've got it running on the WGS8150/80 sitting
behind me. But Cyberdog could well rise again, under Windows...
As you know, Cyberdog was essentially a container for a series
of net-enabled OpenDoc components. While Microsoft has still
never released the OpenDoc-killing Cairo OS they'd promised,
Apple and IBM did stop development of OpenDoc; meantime, Micro-
soft continued to develop the Component Object model enough
that a certain third-party is going to take advantage of it
big-time.
The party is Stardock, and the product is DesktopX. The next
generation of DesktopX will provide a framework for the use
and development of COM objects directly by the user. With
DesktopX, it'll be almost trivial to recreate Cyberdog using
COM (and ActiveX components) instead of OpenDoc.
I'll stop there since I'm drifting OT...
-dq
20 Nov
20 Nov
9:37 p.m.
Hi,
Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> said:
Ve-e-e-ry Interesting!
Yeah, I keep Cyberdog around if only to show people that web browsing
doesn't *have* to look like Exploder/Nutscrape ;-)
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
It works
pretty much the same as Netscape, just looks a bit different,
(especially if you install alternave buttons etc.) - nothing you can't
easily understand from a litle Netscape experience.
Now Cyberdog - that *was* different ;-)
And still is. I've got it running on the WGS8150/80 sitting
behind me. But Cyberdog could well rise again, under Windows... 
21 Nov
21 Nov
9:40 a.m.
Well, both Netscape and Internet Explorer were based on the already quite
complete work done on NCSA MOSAIC, which I used under Win3.1x for a time, along
with NetCruiser, which was Netcom's offering for that purpose. Both of them
looked quite adequate at the time, but the web content has "evolved"
considerably. Both Netscape and Internet Explorer attempted to use what MOSAIC
did already, plus they added mail capability to it, which made little sense at
the time, to me at least. Email handlers were everywhere, but graphic web
browsers were not so plentiful.
Doing email through a shell account was pretty painful, with the slow serial
link handlers that UNIX shell accounts offered. The Windows-based email
handlers embedded in Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc, or Eudora, which was
separate, were all MUCH easier and quicker to deal with.
I've watched both Netscape and IE wander back and forth between higher and lower
levels of integration but haven't seen much improvement. Of course, it not hard
to confuse change with progress.
Dick
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From: "Stan Barr" <stanb(a)dial.pipex.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?
Hi,
Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> said:
Ve-e-e-ry Interesting!
Yeah, I keep Cyberdog around if only to show people that web browsing
doesn't *have* to look like Exploder/Nutscrape ;-)
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
It works
pretty much the same as Netscape, just looks a bit different,
(especially if you install alternave buttons etc.) - nothing you can't
easily understand from a litle Netscape experience.
Now Cyberdog - that *was* different ;-)
And still is. I've got it running on the WGS8150/80 sitting
behind me. But Cyberdog could well rise again, under Windows...
10:34 a.m.
Hi,
"Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> said:
I've watched both Netscape and IE wander back and forth between higher and lower
levels of integration but haven't seen much improvement. Of course, it not hard
to confuse change with progress.
True, but Cyberdog was *fundamentally* different. It was basically a
technology demonstrator for Apple's OpenDoc. As Doug Quebbeman said
earlier: " Cyberdog was essentially a container for a series
of net-enabled OpenDoc components."
Using the Cyberdog doc builder, you could basically roll your own
browser with your own graphics, buttons and only those functions
you wanted. All elements opened in their own movable re-sizable
windows rather than in a huge monolithic window. As Apple said:
"What is Cyberdog?
Cyberdog is a suite of Internet components that allows you to browse
the World Wide Web, receive and send e-mail, read articles from Usenet
newsgroups, browse AppleTalk zones and servers, exchange files with FTP,
and log into other computers with Telnet. Cyberdog provides tight
integration between these components, and with other OpenDoc
applications."
Altogether a fine piece of work for 1994. Sadly died when OpenDoc was
killed off...which makes it obsolete technology and (nearly) on topic!
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
12:36 p.m.
Doing email through a shell account was pretty
painful, with the slow serial
link handlers that UNIX shell accounts offered. The Windows-based email
handlers embedded in Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc, or Eudora, which was
separate, were all MUCH easier and quicker to deal with.
Maybe Pine sucked over a serial line, but Elm is much less termcap-spendy. I
still use Elm to read my E-mail. Man was meant to read mail on-spool.
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1:12 p.m.
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Pine...Elm...Mutt...as long as its a console based utility, I'm happy :P
-Toth
Doing email
through a shell account was pretty painful, with the slow serial
link handlers that UNIX shell accounts offered. The Windows-based email
handlers embedded in Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc, or Eudora, which was
separate, were all MUCH easier and quicker to deal with.
Maybe Pine sucked over a serial line, but Elm is much less termcap-spendy. I
still use Elm to read my E-mail. Man was meant to read mail on-spool. 
1:52 p.m.
Tothwolf wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Pine...Elm...Mutt...as long as its a console based utility, I'm happy :P
-Toth
I still use netscape for mail. When I got linux to play with I could
never
find a mail server? program that would read mail in the POP format.
Netscape
works fine for now.Ben Franchuk.
--
Live "Pre-historic Cpu's" -- and you thought they were extinct.
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Doing
email through a shell account was pretty painful, with the slow serial
link handlers that UNIX shell accounts offered. The Windows-based email
handlers embedded in Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc, or Eudora, which was
separate, were all MUCH easier and quicker to deal with.
Maybe Pine sucked over a serial line, but Elm is much less termcap-spendy. I
still use Elm to read my E-mail. Man was meant to read mail on-spool. 
4:58 p.m.
At 05:52 PM 11/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
I still use netscape for mail. When I got linux to play
with I could
never
find a mail server? program that would read mail in the POP format.
Netscape
works fine for now.Ben Franchuk.
I use netscape out of necessity under HPUX (no other GUI mailer
readily available). But I use Eudora on macs and wintel pc's.
By far, Eudora is my preferred choice.
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
4:59 p.m.
At 05:52 PM 11/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
I still use netscape for mail. When I got linux to play
with I could
never
find a mail server? program that would read mail in the POP format.
Netscape
works fine for now.Ben Franchuk.
I use netscape out of necessity under HPUX (no other GUI mailer
readily available). But I use Eudora on macs and wintel pc's.
By far, Eudora is my preferred choice.
carlos.
^X ^C
Ok, so I use pine now and then :-)
carlos.
^X
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
22 Nov
22 Nov
12:26 a.m.
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Ben Franchuk wrote:
Tothwolf wrote:
I have 'fetchmail' set to poll several pop boxes every 5-10 minutes. It
then sends the mail it retrieves to whatever accounts I want on my local
box thru the local sendmail. Since I use procmail as the delivery agent,
all my email can then be filtered and sorted out into separate email
'folders'/files.
-Toth
Pine...Elm...Mutt...as long as its a console
based utility, I'm happy :P
I still use netscape for mail. When I got linux to play with I could
never find a mail server? program that would read mail in the POP
format. Netscape works fine for now. 
8:05 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser skrev:
> Doing email through a shell account was pretty
painful, with the slow
> serial link handlers that UNIX shell accounts offered. The Windows-based
> email handlers embedded in Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc, or Eudora,
> which was separate, were all MUCH easier and quicker to deal with.
Maybe Pine sucked over a serial line, but Elm is much
less termcap-spendy. I
still use Elm to read my E-mail. Man was meant to read mail on-spool.
Pine works fine if you connect at 14k4 or more. At very slow speeds (~2k4), it
will even adjust itself to a less chatty behaviour with a lot of less ANSI
sequences.
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