5 Apr
2001
5 Apr
'01
10:24 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:36 AM
Subject: For Sale: PDP-8/i w/ Paper Tape
Due to my computing interests becoming very much
centered in the IBM
world, and also due to 2 tons of Big Blue stuff coming shortly, I have
decided to sell off a PDP-8/i. I promised the original seller that I
would not Ebay the thing, so I am keeping it to only a few lists.
Never mind the 8/i....What's the thing to the left of it ?
Jos Dreesen
5 Apr
5 Apr
1:57 p.m.
Never mind the 8/i....What's the thing to the left
of it ?
The large green thing is the main box from a 1943 Navy SG-1b radar set.
Specifically, it seems to be the one of the surface search radars from
Battleship California.
The large blue thing is an Interdata/Perkin-Elmer 7/32 mini, but that is
obvious from the tag.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
6 Apr
6 Apr
8:17 p.m.
In response to a few questions -
1) I am considering all offers. No one is out of the running. Many of the
bids are very close, so location/ease of moving may make the difference.
Be patient, and I will choose eventually (soon).
2) I have quite a few spare for this machine, but they are mostly still
in Chicago.
3) Further questions are encouraged - I want to have people know exactly
what they are getting into.
4) The IBM stuff is mostly punch card equipment from the 1950s and 60s, but
also a very old hard disk (2311) and a mini (1130).
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
9:06 p.m.
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, William Donzelli wrote:
4) The IBM stuff is mostly punch card equipment from
the 1950s and
60s, but also a very old hard disk (2311) and a mini (1130).
Sweet! One certainly does not come across 1130's often (if at all :)
Where did you find this one?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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2:38 p.m.
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, William Donzelli wrote:
Details! :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
Sweet! One
certainly does not come across 1130's often (if at all :)
Where did you find this one?
Ironically, this IBM was once offered on this list, albeit a couple of
years ago. It came out of New York. 
5:19 p.m.
Ahhh, the one from Cornell Univ. that Brad Ackerman offered! Had the
messages in my own ClassicCmp archive. Dang, yet again I missed it. I think
I coulda talked Bev into letting me get it into the house somehow. You know
what Bev is like William, I gotta get her at the right moment and she's in
with me on whatever the historical interest I'm working on!
I'm VERY glad you got it Bill. You have more resources than I and can spend
the time it needs. Maybe in my next lifetime . . .
Upon the date 10:39 PM 4/7/01 -0400, William Donzelli said something like:
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
Details! :)
Look in the archives, if they still exist. Must be almost two years ago,
maybe more.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
8 Apr
8 Apr
6:13 a.m.
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, William Donzelli wrote:
Without searchable archives (and any reasonable reference to look for) it
would take an act of Jehova to find what you're speaking of.
I guess I understand if you just don't want to talk about it :?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
Details! :)
Look in the archives, if they still exist. Must be almost two years ago,
maybe more. 
7:53 a.m.
Without searchable archives (and any reasonable
reference to look for) it
would take an act of Jehova to find what you're speaking of.
Actually, I come up with hits on the list archives quite
often when doing searches off of the search engines such as
Altavista. Granted, not as good a search function as the archives
having their own, but it works for some of the odder items that are
talked about here that don't get thousands of other hits elsewhere.
Jeff
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11:16 a.m.
Without searchable archives (and any reasonable
reference to look for) it
would take an act of Jehova to find what you're speaking of.
I guess I understand if you just don't want to talk about it :?
I don't know all of the details about it either. In fact, I don't think I
know really any details about it. I did not keep the original posting
around, as it was two or so years ago.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
9 Apr
9 Apr
2:19 a.m.
Sellam -
I picked up the 1131 (minus keyboard and power supply) from Cornell in
February of 1999. IIRC, it had been sitting outside a math professor's
office for several years. I haven't done anything with the system since I
received it (kind of a _long_ term project), though I did get in touch with
a manager at IBM's corporate archives and confirmed that they don't have
much in the way of documentation for the system -- no prints or maintenance
guide.
I guess DEC/CPQ's not the only company to do a crummy job of maintaining
their history, though that doesn't really make me feel better...
-- Tony
At 08:13 AM 4/8/2001 -0700, you wrote:
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, William Donzelli wrote:
Without searchable archives (and any reasonable reference to look for) it
would take an act of Jehova to find what you're speaking of.
I guess I understand if you just don't want to talk about it :?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
Details!
:)
Look in the archives, if they still exist. Must be almost two years ago,
maybe more.
2:52 a.m.
On reflection, maybe "crummy" doesn't sound quite right. The archivist was
very helpful, but they simply didn't keep the docs.
-- Tony
At 07:19 AM 4/9/2001 -0400, you wrote:
Sellam -
I picked up the 1131 (minus keyboard and power supply) from Cornell in
February of 1999. IIRC, it had been sitting outside a math professor's
office for several years. I haven't done anything with the system since I
received it (kind of a _long_ term project), though I did get in touch
with a manager at IBM's corporate archives and confirmed that they don't
have much in the way of documentation for the system -- no prints or
maintenance guide.
I guess DEC/CPQ's not the only company to do a crummy job of maintaining
their history, though that doesn't really make me feel better...
-- Tony
At 08:13 AM 4/8/2001 -0700, you wrote:
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, William Donzelli wrote:
Without searchable archives (and any reasonable reference to look for) it
would take an act of Jehova to find what you're speaking of.
I guess I understand if you just don't want to talk about it :?
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and
Danger http://www.vintage.org
Details!
:)
Look in the archives, if they still exist. Must be almost two years ago,
maybe more.
5:52 a.m.
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Tony Eros wrote:
On reflection, maybe "crummy" doesn't
sound quite right. The
archivist was very helpful, but they simply didn't keep the docs.
It makes no sense to me that a company like IBM would not keep in their
archive a copy of every piece of documentation or marketing literature
that they ever published.
Of course it makes even less sense that companies like Compaq would remove
archived online documentation.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
2:07 p.m.
I guess DEC/CPQ's not the only company to do a
crummy job of maintaining
their history, though that doesn't really make me feel better...
It is quite likely that IBM still has an 1131. Also, remember that IBM is
rather "funny" about their old software and docs, and generally don't
like to talk about it.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
7 Apr
7 Apr
9:35 a.m.
Hi, can you please tell me more about the IBM stuff, or where I can find
out more about it? Thanks! -Mike
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, William Donzelli wrote:
In response to a few questions -
1) I am considering all offers. No one is out of the running. Many of the
bids are very close, so location/ease of moving may make the difference.
Be patient, and I will choose eventually (soon).
2) I have quite a few spare for this machine, but they are mostly still
in Chicago.
3) Further questions are encouraged - I want to have people know exactly
what they are getting into.
4) The IBM stuff is mostly punch card equipment from the 1950s and 60s, but
also a very old hard disk (2311) and a mini (1130).
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
12:54 p.m.
Hi, can you please tell me more about the IBM stuff,
or where I can find
out more about it? Thanks! -Mike
The IBM stuff consists of some channel-connected readers and punches
(S/360 stuff), as well as some stand alone "unit record" equipment.
The disk is an S/360 era model, requiring the use of a 2841 control unit
(I will be looking for one of those) for channel connection.
The mini is an 1130 system (more properly an 1131), and could be called
IBM's PDP-8.
The best place to learn about older IBM equipment is to get the books
recently published by the MIT Press. One is called "IBMs Early Computers"
and the other is "IBMs System 360 and Early 370 Computers". They are out
of print, but can be found with a little looking.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
2:43 p.m.
Bill,
Nice catch with the IBM gear, especially the 1130. At the Computer Museum
History Center part of the 1620 project
(http://www.computerhistory.org/old/IBM1620/) was to restore the
collection's IBM 1620 to operation, another small IBM computer but of an
earlier vintage. Is the 1130 running? We refurbished the 1620 literally from
the ground up, starting with the power supplies and then going from there. I
suspect you'll want to go through a similar process to avoid any nasty age
related problems. Post pics and keep us informed of your progress. Good luck
and have fun!
Lee Courtney
President
Monterey Software Group Inc.
1350 Pear Avenue, Suite J
Mountain View, California 94043-1302 U.S.A.
650-964-7052 voice
650-964-6735 fax
Advanced Authentication, Audit, and Access Control Tools and Consulting for
HP3000 Business Servers
http://www.editcorp.com/Businesses/MontereySoftware
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of William Donzelli
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 2:55 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: For Sale: PDP-8/i w/ Paper Tape
Hi, can you please tell me more about the IBM
stuff, or where I can find
out more about it? Thanks! -Mike
The IBM stuff consists of some channel-connected readers and punches
(S/360 stuff), as well as some stand alone "unit record" equipment.
The disk is an S/360 era model, requiring the use of a 2841 control unit
(I will be looking for one of those) for channel connection.
The mini is an 1130 system (more properly an 1131), and could be called
IBM's PDP-8.
The best place to learn about older IBM equipment is to get the books
recently published by the MIT Press. One is called "IBMs Early Computers"
and the other is "IBMs System 360 and Early 370 Computers". They are out
of print, but can be found with a little looking.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
5:06 p.m.
New subject: Forgot VMS 072b password
Yea, I blew it. I've tried all my standard passwords and failed to log on
as SYSTEM. Anyone know any work arounds? I of course have physical
access to the console....
Regards,
Jeff
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Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
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THETechnoid(a)home.com
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5:38 p.m.
New subject: Forgot VMS 072b password
On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:06:39PM -0400, THETechnoid(a)home.com (THETechnoid(a)home.com)
wrote:
Yea, I blew it. I've tried all my standard
passwords and failed to log on
as SYSTEM. Anyone know any work arounds? I of course have physical
access to the console....
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/dec-faq/OpenVMS.txt
MGMT5. I've forgotten the SYSTEM password - what can I do?
HTH,
-Rich
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Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services
Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625
------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------
8 Apr
8 Apr
6:13 a.m.
New subject: Forgot VMS 072b password
I went to the website below and began entering the suggested parameters at
the sysboot> prompt.
SET/STARTUP DKA200:
works fine
SET WINDOWSYSTEM 0
responds that there is no such parameter as WINDOWSYSTEM
SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0
works fine
CONTINUE
works fine of course
I can't get to a DCL prompt without disabling the window system
Help! please.
V/R
Jeff
In <20010407223849.A11301(a)alcor.concordia.ca>ca>, on 04/08/01
at 11:13 AM, Rich Lafferty <rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca> said:
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Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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6:38 a.m.
New subject: Got it! (was Re: Forgot VMS 072b password)
Hoping against hope that the SYSTEST username had sufficient privaleges,
and that I remembered the password, I logged in as SYSTEST.
I ran the authorization mods in the manual at the URL you gave me and
changed the SYSTEM password to something I would remember. Lo and Behold!
I have a working system I am master of.
Thanks for your help!
Damn. I wish that VMS didn't ask me to change my pw every 30 days or so.
That sucks as this is not a production system. Security isn't a high
priority by consequence.
There is now a stickynote attached to the monitor with the usernames and
passwords written on it......
Regards and thanks,
Jeff
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Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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8:41 a.m.
New subject: Got it! (was Re: Forgot VMS 072b password)
$ set def sys$system
$ mcr authorize
UAF> mod username/nopwdexp
I'm pretty sure it's nopwdexp, but in authorize, just type help :)
Damn. I wish that VMS didn't ask me to change my pw every 30 days or so.
That sucks as this is not a production system. Security isn't a high
priority by consequence.
9 Apr
9 Apr
4:55 a.m.
--- William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> wrote:
In response to a few questions -
1) I am considering all offers. No one is out of the running. Many of the
bids are very close, so location/ease of moving may make the difference.
Be patient, and I will choose eventually (soon).
Since I already have an -8/i, I can't justify another one that would just
sit in a corner for who knows how long.
2) I have quite a few spare for this machine, but they
are mostly still
in Chicago.
Do the spares go with the machine or would they be a seperate deal? I'm
always in the market for spare DEC parts to keep the machines I _do_ have
working.
-ethan
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2:09 p.m.
Do the spares go with the machine or would they be a
seperate deal? I'm
always in the market for spare DEC parts to keep the machines I _do_ have
working.
No, they don't, but can be used by anyone that needs parts. Let me know
modules you need, and I will dig.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
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