16 Nov
2003
16 Nov
'03
12:09 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
to
You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out
the rom card, A1 or A2,
I
think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card
and see what numbers are
on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access system
here.
not a loose
set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
I would live in fear of poping them out though......
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the 2100 cpus
Ed?
> > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as they seem > be
> > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner and it is
acting
very
> flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
>
> Jay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read them....
> > It is up to you Jay!
> > ed!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend
> > >
> > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > including the IOP firmware the
21MX.
> > >
> > > Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving copy of the 2100
IOP
> firmware, it would be good to get the proms
read.
>
>
>
16 Nov
16 Nov
1:20 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an access
system had they not!
we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though the
passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc. let the
earth...
I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159 while
looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List.... When I
retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live... Most have
been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time I go
digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals are gone
though as they were in the HP binders.... kind of hard to loose those!
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
and
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card, A1 or
A2,
I
> think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what numbers
are
on the white
and gold chips that are socketed :)
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access system
here.
> > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> >
> > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> >
> > ed!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic > > Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the 2100
cpus
> Ed?
> > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as they
seem
to
2100
> be
> > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner and it is
acting
> > very
> > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read them....
> > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > ed!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend
> > > > >
> > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
> www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving copy of the
IOP
> >
firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
1:25 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader. However, that's
not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were positive you had
them, via visual inspection, so we knew there were at least two sets in the
world rather than my one set :) Someone could have pulled them out years
ago, that's why I was asking for a visual check to be really sure they were
present in your system.
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom
reader!
I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an access
system had they not!
we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though the
passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc. let
the
earth...
I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159 while
looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List.... When I
retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live... Most have
been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time I go
digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals are gone
though as they were in the HP binders.... kind of hard to loose those!
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
and
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card, A1 or
A2,
I
> think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what numbers
are
on the
white and gold chips that are socketed :)
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access system
here.
> > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> >
> > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> >
> > ed!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic > > Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the 2100
cpus
> Ed?
> > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as they
seem
to
2100
> be
> > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner and it is
acting
> > very
> > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read them....
> > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > ed!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend
> > > > >
> > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
> www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving copy of the
IOP
> > > firmware, it would be good to get
the proms read.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
2:11 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
no one ever touched the inside of that unit except me, but... yes when I
am in the giant glass display case I can check! yep... hp under glass! a
sight to behold!
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom
reader. However,
that's
not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were
positive you had
them, via visual inspection, so we knew there were at least two sets in
the
world rather than my one set :) Someone could have
pulled them out years
ago, that's why I was asking for a visual check to be really sure they
were
present in your system.
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
while
no you have to pop them out to put them in a
prom reader!
I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an access
system had they not!
we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though the
passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc. let
the
> earth...
>
> I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159 > looking at home here for the infamous DEC
master Module List.... When
I
> retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over
where I live... Most have
> been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time I
go
> digging I find something.new I know the 2100
processor manuals are gone
> though as they were in the HP binders.... kind of hard to loose those!
>
> ed sharpe archivist for smecc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
> Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > > You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card, A1
or
> A2,
> > I
> > > think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what
numbers
> are
> > > on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
> > >
> > > J
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
<cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access
system
> > here.
> > > > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> > > >
> > > > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> > > >
> > > > ed!
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic
> and
> > > > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the
2100
cpus
> Ed?
> > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as they
seem
to
2100
> be
> > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner and it is
acting
> > very
> > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read them....
> > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > ed!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend
> > > > >
> > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
> www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving copy of the
IOP
> > > > firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
18 Nov
18 Nov
4:03 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
Ed;
I get the impression that the 2000Access system you have "under glass"
isn't
running. Shipping parts around might be expensive... buy me a plane ticket
and I'll come out there and get it running for you. SOO much nicer to show a
running system :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
When
gone
no one ever touched the inside of that unit except
me, but... yes when I
am in the giant glass display case I can check! yep... hp under glass! a
sight to behold!
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
let
Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a
prom reader. However,
that's
not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you
were positive you had
them, via visual inspection, so we knew there were at least two sets in
the
world rather than my one set :) Someone could
have pulled them out years
ago, that's why I was asking for a visual check to be really sure they
were
> present in your system.
>
> Jay West
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> > no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
> >
> > I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an access
> > system had they not!
> >
> > we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though the
> > passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc. the
> earth...
>
> I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159
while
> > looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List.... I
> > retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live... Most
have
> been
added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time I
go
> > digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals are > > though as they were in the HP binders....
kind of hard to loose
those!
> >
> > ed sharpe archivist for smecc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card,
A1
or
they
> A2,
> > I
> > > think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what
numbers
> are
> > > on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
> > >
> > > J
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
<cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access
system
> > here.
> > > > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> > > >
> > > > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> > > >
> > > > ed!
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic
> and
> > > > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the
2100
> > cpus
> > > > Ed?
> > > > > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as
> > seem
> > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner and
it
is
> > > acting
> > > > > very
> > > > > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts"
> > > > > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>;
<classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read
them....
> > > > > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > > > > ed!
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'll try to dump the microcode proms
this weekend
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
> > > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > > > > including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving
copy of
the
2100
> IOP
> > > > > firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
19 Nov
19 Nov
6:48 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
you will have to bring a 2883 disc drive though... we are missing ours!
I can see it now... Hi Flight attendant... I want to carry on this 500 lb.
disk drive...
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
When
I
it
Ed;
I get the impression that the 2000Access system you have "under glass"
isn't
running. Shipping parts around might be expensive...
buy me a plane ticket
and I'll come out there and get it running for you. SOO much nicer to show
a
running system :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> no one ever touched the inside of that unit except me, but... yes when
I
> am in the giant glass display case I can check!
yep... hp under glass! a
> sight to behold!
>
> ed!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> > Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader. However,
> that's
> > not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were positive you
had
> > them, via visual inspection, so we knew
there were at least two sets
in
> the
> > world rather than my one set :) Someone could have pulled them out
years
> > ago, that's why I was asking for a
visual check to be really sure they
> were
> > present in your system.
> >
> > Jay West
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > > no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
> > >
> > > I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an
access
> > > system had they not!
> > >
> > > we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though
the
> >
passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc.
let
the
> earth...
>
> I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159
while
> > looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List.... I
> > retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live... Most
have
> > > been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time
go
> > digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals are
gone
> > though as they were in the HP
binders.... kind of hard to loose
those!
> >
> > ed sharpe archivist for smecc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card,
A1
or
they
> > > seem
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner
and > A2,
> > I
> > > think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what
numbers
> are
> > > on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
> > >
> > > J
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
<cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access
system
> > here.
> > > > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> > > >
> > > > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> > > >
> > > > ed!
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic
> and
> > > > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the
2100
> > cpus
> > > > Ed?
> > > > > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as
is
> > > acting
> > > > > very
> > > > > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts"
> > > > > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>;
<classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read
them....
> > > > > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > > > > ed!
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'll try to dump the microcode proms
this weekend
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
> > > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > > > > including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving
copy of
the
2100
> > IOP
> > > > > > firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
21 Nov
21 Nov
8:50 a.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
The 2883 would be an ideal drive to replace by hardware emulation!
ed sharpe wrote:
you will have to bring a 2883 disc drive though... we
are missing ours!
I can see it now... Hi Flight attendant... I want to carry on this 500 lb.
disk drive...
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
When
I
it
Ed;
I get the impression that the 2000Access system you have "under glass"
isn't
running. Shipping parts around might be
expensive... buy me a plane ticket
and I'll come out there and get it running for you. SOO much nicer to show
a
running system :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>no one ever touched the inside of that unit except me, but... yes when
>
I
>am in the giant glass display case I can
check! yep... hp under glass! a
>sight to behold!
>
>ed!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and
>Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
>>Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader. However,
>>
>that's
>
>>not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were positive you
>>
had
>>them, via visual inspection, so we knew
there were at least two sets
>>
in
>the
>
>>world rather than my one set :) Someone could have pulled them out
>>
years
>>ago, that's why I was asking for a
visual check to be really sure they
>>
>were
>
>>present in your system.
>>
>>Jay West
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>
>>
>>>no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
>>>
>>>I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an
>>>
access
>>>system had they not!
>>>
>>>we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though
>>>
the
>>passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc.
>>
let
the
>earth...
>
> I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159
>
while
>>looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List....
>> I
>>retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live... Most
>>
have
>>>been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time
>>> go
>>digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals are
>>
gone
>>though as they were in the HP binders....
kind of hard to loose
>>
those!
>>ed sharpe archivist for smecc
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
>>Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>
>>>
>>>>You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card,
>>>>
A1
or
they
>>>seem
>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner and
>>>>>>> >A2,
>
>>I
>>
>>>think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what
>>>
numbers
>are
>
>>>on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
>>>
>>>J
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
>>>
<cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>
>>>
>>>>well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access
>>>>
system
>>here.
>>
>>>>not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
>>>>
>>>>I would live in fear of poping them out though......
>>>>
>>>>ed!
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General
Discussion:
>>>>
On-Topic
>and
>
>>>>Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the
>>>>>
2100
>>cpus
>>
>>>>Ed?
>>>>
>>>>>>If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as
>>>>>> is
>>>acting
>>>
>>>>>very
>>>>>
>>>>>>flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jay
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>>>>>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>>>>>><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>ctalk@classiccmp.org>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read them....
>>>>>>>It is up to you Jay!
>>>>>>>ed!
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
>>>>>>>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dumps of the firmware is now up at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
>>>>
>>>>>>>>including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving copy of
>>>>>>>>
the
>2100
>
>>>IOP
>>>
>>>>>>>firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
>
12:30 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
it's a museum!!! Emulate hardware for display?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Shannon" <bshannon(a)tiac.net>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
I
it
The 2883 would be an ideal drive to replace by
hardware emulation!
ed sharpe wrote:
>you will have to bring a 2883 disc drive though... we are missing ours!
>
>I can see it now... Hi Flight attendant... I want to carry on this 500
lb.
>disk drive...
>
>ed!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and
>Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:03 PM
>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
>>Ed;
>>
>>I get the impression that the 2000Access system you have "under glass"
>>
>isn't
>
>>running. Shipping parts around might be expensive... buy me a plane
ticket
>>and I'll come out there and get it running
for you. SOO much nicer to
show
>>
>a
>
>>running system :)
>>
>>Jay West
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>
>>
>>>no one ever touched the inside of that unit except me, but... yes
when
>>>
>I
>
>>>am in the giant glass display case I can check! yep... hp under glass!
a
>sight to behold!
>
>ed!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and
>Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
>>Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader. However,
>>
>that's
>
>>not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were positive you
>>
had
>>them, via visual inspection, so we knew
there were at least two sets
>>
in
>the
>
>>world rather than my one set :) Someone could have pulled them out
>>
years
>>ago, that's why I was asking for a
visual check to be really sure they
>>
>were
>
>>present in your system.
>>
>>Jay West
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>
>>
>>>no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
>>>
>>>I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an
>>>
access
>>>system had they not!
>>>
>>>we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though
>>>
the
>>passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc.
>>
let
>the
>
>>earth...
>>
>> I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159
>>
while
>>looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List....
>>
When
I
>>retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live... Most
>>
have
>>>been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time
>>> go
>>digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals are
>>
gone
>>though as they were in the HP binders....
kind of hard to loose
>>
those!
>>ed sharpe archivist for smecc
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
>>Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>
>>>
>>>>You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card,
>>>>
A1
or
>>A2,
>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what
>>>>
numbers
>>are
>>
>>>>on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
>>>>
>>>>J
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>>>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
>>>>
<cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access
>>>>>
system
>>>here.
>>>
>>>>>not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
>>>>>
>>>>>I would live in fear of poping them out though......
>>>>>
>>>>>ed!
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>>To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General
Discussion:
>>>>>
On-Topic
>>and
>>
>>>>>Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the
>>>>>>
2100
>>cpus
>>
>>>>Ed?
>>>>
>>>>>>If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as
>>>>>>
they
>>>seem
>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner and
>>>>>>> is
>>>acting
>>>
>>>>>very
>>>>>
>>>>>>flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jay
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
>>>>>>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>>>>>><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>ctalk@classiccmp.org>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read them....
>>>>>>>It is up to you Jay!
>>>>>>>ed!
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
>>>>>>>To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'll try to dump the microcode proms this weekend
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dumps of the firmware is now up at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
>>>>
>>>>>>>>including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving copy of
>>>>>>>>
the
>>2100
>>
>>>>IOP
>>>>
>>>>>>>>firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
19 Nov
19 Nov
6:49 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
yes, we need a disk drive to make it work also.....
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
When
I
it
Ed;
I get the impression that the 2000Access system you have "under glass"
isn't
running. Shipping parts around might be expensive...
buy me a plane ticket
and I'll come out there and get it running for you. SOO much nicer to show
a
running system :)
Jay West
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> no one ever touched the inside of that unit except me, but... yes when
I
> am in the giant glass display case I can check!
yep... hp under glass! a
> sight to behold!
>
> ed!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> > Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader. However,
> that's
> > not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were positive you
had
> > them, via visual inspection, so we knew
there were at least two sets
in
> the
> > world rather than my one set :) Someone could have pulled them out
years
> > ago, that's why I was asking for a
visual check to be really sure they
> were
> > present in your system.
> >
> > Jay West
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > > no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
> > >
> > > I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an
access
> > > system had they not!
> > >
> > > we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though
the
> >
passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc.
let
the
> earth...
>
> I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual # 02100-90159
while
> > looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List.... I
> > retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live... Most
have
> > > been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every time
go
> > digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals are
gone
> > though as they were in the HP
binders.... kind of hard to loose
those!
> >
> > ed sharpe archivist for smecc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the rom card,
A1
or
they
> > > seem
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner
and > A2,
> > I
> > > think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and see what
numbers
> are
> > > on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
> > >
> > > J
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
<cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000 access
system
> > here.
> > > > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> > > >
> > > > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> > > >
> > > > ed!
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General
Discussion:
On-Topic
> and
> > > > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP firmware for the
2100
> > cpus
> > > > Ed?
> > > > > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine backed up as
is
> > > acting
> > > > > very
> > > > > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips in it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts"
> > > > > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>;
<classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to read
them....
> > > > > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > > > > ed!
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Al Kossow" <aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'll try to dump the microcode proms
this weekend
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
> > > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > > > > including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the only surviving
copy of
the
2100
> > IOP
> > > > > > firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
20 Nov
20 Nov
12:45 a.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
why does it have to be a 2883? 7900, 7905, 7906, 7920 will all work.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
they
02100-90159
of
---
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yes, we need a disk drive to make it work also.....
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
ticket
Ed;
I get the impression that the 2000Access system you have "under glass"
isn't
> running. Shipping parts around might be expensive... buy me a plane > and I'll come out there and get it running
for you. SOO much nicer to
show
a
> running system :)
>
> Jay West
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> > no one ever touched the inside of that unit except me, but... yes
when
I
> > am in the giant glass display case I can check! yep... hp under glass!
a
> > sight to behold!
> >
> > ed!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic
and
> Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> > Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader. However,
> that's
> > not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were positive you
had
> > them, via visual inspection, so we knew
there were at least two sets
in
> the
> > world rather than my one set :) Someone could have pulled them out
years
> > > ago, that's why I was asking for a visual check to be really sure
> were
> > present in your system.
> >
> > Jay West
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> >
> >
> > > no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
> > >
> > > I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an
access
> > > system had they not!
> > >
> > > we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems though
the
> > > > passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange Inc.
> let
> > > the
> > > > earth...
> > > >
> > > > I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual #
> > while
> > > > looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module List....
> When
> > I
> > > > retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live...
Most
> have
> > > > been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every
time
I
> > go
> > > > digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals
are
> gone
> > > > though as they were in the HP binders.... kind of hard to loose
> those!
> > > >
> > > > ed sharpe archivist for smecc
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
> > > > Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the
rom
card,
> A1
> > or
> > > > A2,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card and
see what
> > numbers
> > > > are
> > > > > > on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
> > <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the 2000
access
> > system
> > > > > here.
> > > > > > > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ed!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Jay West"
<jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>;
"General Discussion:
> > On-Topic
> > > > and
> > > > > > > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP
firmware for
the
> > 2100
> > > > cpus
> > > > > > Ed?
> > > > > > > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine
backed up
as
they
> > > seem
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > the only ones around. However, I got a new prom burner
and
it
> is
> > > > > acting
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my chips
in it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "ed sharpe"
<esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts"
> > > > > > > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>;
<classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way to
read them....
> > > > > > > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > > > > > > ed!
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Al Kossow"
<aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'll try to dump the microcode
proms this weekend
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up at
> > > > > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > > > > > > including the IOP firmware the 21MX.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the only
surviving copy the
>
2100
> > > IOP
> > > > > > > firmware, it would be good to get the proms read.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
12:10 p.m.
New subject: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
yes they will work... but it used to have 2883 on it! I suppose I can go
with something else if needed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
though
List....
what
and
why does it have to be a 2883? 7900, 7905, 7906, 7920
will all work.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>rg>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
glass!
yes, we need a disk drive to make it work
also.....
ed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
ticket
Ed;
I get the impression that the 2000Access system you have "under glass"
isn't
> running. Shipping parts around might be expensive... buy me a plane > and I'll come out there and get it
running for you. SOO much nicer to
show
a
> running system :)
>
> Jay West
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
>
>
> > no one ever touched the inside of that unit except me, but... yes
when
> I
> > > am in the giant glass display case I can check! yep... hp under
a
However,
> > sight to behold!
> >
> > ed!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion:
On-Topic
and
> > > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes, you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader.
> > > that's
> > > > not what I was asking. I was merely asking if you were positive
you
> had
> > > > them, via visual inspection, so we knew there were at least two
sets
in
they
> > > were
> > > > present in your system.
> > > >
> > > > Jay West
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> > > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:20 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > no you have to pop them out to put them in a prom reader!
> > > > >
> > > > > I know they are there... the system would not have worked as an
> access
> > > > > system had they not!
> > > > >
> > > > > we need a set of hardware manuals for the 2100... it seems
> the
> > world rather than my one set :) Someone could have pulled them out
years
> > > ago, that's why I was asking for a visual check to be really sure
> the
> > > > > passing of the years the old ones I had at computer exchange
Inc.
> let
> > > the
> > > > earth...
> > > >
> > > > I DID find though the 2100 hardware training manual #
02100-90159
> > > while
> > > > > looking at home here for the infamous DEC master Module
> When
> > I
> > > > retired I squirreled bits of manuals all over where I live...
Most
> have
> > > > been added to the museum's reference library but it seems every
time
I
> > go
> > > > digging I find something.new I know the 2100 processor manuals
are
> gone
> > > > though as they were in the HP binders.... kind of hard to loose
> those!
> > > >
> > > > ed sharpe archivist for smecc
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:09 PM
> > > > Subject: Fw: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > To: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You don't have to pop out the chips, just pull out the
rom
card,
> > A1
> > > or
> > > > > A2,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > think it's A2 going from memory. Look at the card
and see > > > numbers
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > on the white and gold chips that are socketed :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Ed Sharpe"
<esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
Only"
> > > <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > Cc: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 5:31 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > well I have the set that is in the 2100 in the
2000
access
> >
system
> > > > > here.
> > > > > > > not a loose set. ( shall we call it embedded?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would live in fear of poping them out though......
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ed!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Jay West"
<jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>;
"General Discussion:
> > On-Topic
> > > > and
> > > > > > > Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:07 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You're quite sure you have a set of the IOP
firmware for
the
> > 2100
> > > > cpus
> > > > > > Ed?
> > > > > > > > If so, good to know. I really want to get mine
backed up
as
> > they
> > > > > seem
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > the only ones around. However, I got a new
prom burner > it
> > is
> > > > > > acting
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > flaky so I'm a little afraid to put my
chips in it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "ed sharpe"
<esharpe(a)uswest.net>
> > > > > > > > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts"
> > > > > > > > > <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>rg>;
<classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:16 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > we have a set too Al, but alas no way
to read them....
> > > > > > > > > > It is up to you Jay!
> > > > > > > > > > ed!
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Al Kossow"
<aek(a)spies.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:54
PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Grandfather system
RTE6/VM?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll try to dump the
microcode proms this weekend
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dumps of the firmware is now up
at
> > > > > > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/1000_firmware
> > > > > > > > > > > including the IOP firmware the
21MX.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jay, since you appear to have the
only surviving
copy
of
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