I had planned on using this as a case for a project but then I noticed it still seems complete etc. and one of you lot *might* be interested. It's a blue metal steel box 30cm x 24cm x 6.4cm (I'll let you heathens work out Freedom units yourself) NWW Micro Systems on front panel marked Serial Remote Control Interface. Diane -- - db at FreeBSD.org db at db.net http://www.db.net/~db