10 May
2005
10 May
'05
3:54 p.m.
I hate to ask an ebay question *here*, but I know some people here use
ebay.
Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have complained about ebay's
server and being unable to match the security protocol (I'm guessing the
SSL negotiation failed to converge)
Has anyone else seen this? Just curious. Any idea what it is?
-brad
10 May
10 May
4 p.m.
On Tue, 10 May 2005, Brad Parker wrote:
Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have
complained about ebay's
server and being unable to match the security protocol (I'm guessing the
SSL negotiation failed to converge)
Has anyone else seen this? Just curious. Any idea what it is?
I've seen it, with Firefox 1.0 on Solaris 9. Haven't had time to
research it.
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
4:36 p.m.
Rumor has it that Mike Loewen may have mentioned these words:
On Tue, 10 May 2005, Brad Parker wrote:
Datapoint:
It borked on me with Firefox 1.0.3 on Win2k.
I'm guessing it's ePay's fumble; they'll prolly straighten it out soon.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have
complained about ebay's
server and being unable to match the security protocol (I'm guessing the
SSL negotiation failed to converge)
Has anyone else seen this? Just curious. Any idea what it is?
I've seen it, with Firefox 1.0 on Solaris 9. Haven't had time to
research it. 
4:27 p.m.
>>>> "Brad" == Brad Parker
<brad at heeltoe.com> writes:
Brad> I hate to ask an ebay question *here*, but I know some people
Brad> here use ebay.
Brad> Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have complained
Brad> about ebay's server and being unable to match the security
Brad> protocol (I'm guessing the SSL negotiation failed to converge)
Brad> Has anyone else seen this? Just curious. Any idea what it is?
Weird.
I see the message pop up but then Mozilla does display the "locked"
icon at the bottom, and clicking that produces a page that claims
AES-256 is being used.
This is rather disturbing. How about asking Ebay? Either we're being
pharmed, or Ebay has broken its crypto setup; either way they need to
do something about it.
paul
4:48 p.m.
On Tue, 10 May 2005, Paul Koning wrote:
Yesterday evening eBay suffered a rather serious meltdown, which they
blame on a 'power failure' at the company in San Francisco who
(apparently) does thier physical hosting.
Since then, I too have been getting that meesage in Mozilla.
Coincidence? Proximate cause? I dunno...
Cheers
>>>> "Brad" == Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com> writes:
Brad> Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have complained
Brad> about ebay's server and being unable to match the security
Brad> protocol (I'm guessing the SSL negotiation failed to converge)
This is rather disturbing. How about asking Ebay? Either we're being
pharmed, or Ebay has broken its crypto setup; either way they need to
do something about it.
11 May
11 May
12:12 p.m.
Paul Koning wrote:
This is rather disturbing. How about asking Ebay? Either we're being
pharmed, or Ebay has broken its crypto setup; either way they need to
do something about it.
I did ask and I got a form letter back about the outage. I asked again,
asking them *read* the question.
-brad
12:57 p.m.
New subject: Xerox 820
Hello everybody.
I've obtained recently one Xerox 820 without the floppies unit box :-) In
these circumstances the system is lightly unuseful. Someone has one floppy
units box for this system available for free or trade ?
There is another question in addition... the floppies connector has 37 pin.
I suppose it allows the Xerox to use 5.25 floppies. But in some place I've
read about 8" floppy units for the 820. What's about that ?
Regards
Sergio
12 May
12 May
2:03 p.m.
New subject: Xerox 820
Hi,
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 06:57:13PM +0200, SP wrote:
Hello everybody.
I've obtained recently one Xerox 820 without the floppies unit box :-) In
these circumstances the system is lightly unuseful. Someone has one floppy
units box for this system available for free or trade ?
I'm relatively sure there is nothing significant in the floppies unit box
other than the disk drives and power supply. In the mid-80's I obtained an
820-II motherboard, and simply soldered "D" connector pins onto a floppy drive
ribon cable, to connect a pair of 8" floppies to the thing, making up
my first CP/M computer system. The 8" drives were cheap and common then,
but the ones in the Xerox box and the Xerox cable were not so common.
There is another question in addition... the floppies
connector has 37 pin.
I suppose it allows the Xerox to use 5.25 floppies. But in some place I've
read about 8" floppy units for the 820. What's about that ?
Both are possible. If you obtain and attach 8" drives, I can send you a
bootable floppy, once I get my system up and running again. If someone
provides more info about 5.25" drives, maybe I'll be able to get them
working on my 820-II. Better yet, maybe someone knows of more modern
storage alternatives that could be made to work with these.
Mark
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voice: 215-591-3695
http://www.misty.com/ http://mail-cleaner.com/
4:32 p.m.
New subject: Xerox 820
Hi !
I'm relatively sure there is nothing significant
in the floppies unit box
other than the disk drives and power supply. In the mid-80's I obtained
an
820-II motherboard, and simply soldered "D"
connector pins onto a floppy
drive
ribon cable, to connect a pair of 8" floppies to
the thing, making up
my first CP/M computer system. The 8" drives were cheap and common then,
but the ones in the Xerox box and the Xerox cable were not so common.
I confess my absolute inutility in these matters, but never is too late to
begin
the training. Do you mean one complete male D connector or D-Sub ?
There is some order in the soldering of the pins ?
I have three or four shugart 8" units but never tried to put them to work.
Mostly
cause of the fault of one power supply. If someone knows of the specs
of one Power supply for these floppy units, I should agree to get it.
Both are possible. If you obtain and attach 8"
drives, I can send you a
bootable floppy, once I get my system up and running again. If someone
provides more info about 5.25" drives, maybe I'll be able to get them
working on my 820-II. Better yet, maybe someone knows of more modern
storage alternatives that could be made to work with these.
Mmm... I should like to know if one 5'25 unit like the used for the PS/2
(with 37 pin)
could work connected to one Xerox 820. It was one 360k unit, I think. And I
have
one.
Another option, if there is no cabling problem, would be to use a couple of
IBM PC 5.25 floppy units, arranging one ribbon floppy cable in the same that
you
used with the 8" inch. I suppose would be easy to use one program to copy
the "standard" CP/M image available in some websites (prepared for the Xerox
820)
to 5.25 floppies.
Thanks and Greetings
Sergio
13 May
13 May
12:29 p.m.
New subject: Xerox 820
There was a business in Beaverton who sold a simple board to run both
5 1/4" drives and 8 inch drives on the Xerox 820 at the same time.
Evergreen technology??? Closed about 1990. I seem to remember it
wasn't hard to build.
If anyone comes uiop with the info I would be intersted too as I still
have an 820.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
On 5/12/05, SP <spedraja at ono.com> wrote:
Hi !
--
Paxton Hoag
Astoria, OR
USA
I'm relatively sure there is nothing
significant in the floppies unit box
other than the disk drives and power supply. In the mid-80's I obtained
an
820-II motherboard, and simply soldered
"D" connector pins onto a floppy
drive
ribon cable, to connect a pair of 8"
floppies to the thing, making up
my first CP/M computer system. The 8" drives were cheap and common then,
but the ones in the Xerox box and the Xerox cable were not so common.
I confess my absolute inutility in these matters, but never is too late to
begin
the training. Do you mean one complete male D connector or D-Sub ?
There is some order in the soldering of the pins ?
I have three or four shugart 8" units but never tried to put them to work.
Mostly
cause of the fault of one power supply. If someone knows of the specs
of one Power supply for these floppy units, I should agree to get it.
Both are possible. If you obtain and attach
8" drives, I can send you a
bootable floppy, once I get my system up and running again. If someone
provides more info about 5.25" drives, maybe I'll be able to get them
working on my 820-II. Better yet, maybe someone knows of more modern
storage alternatives that could be made to work with these.
Mmm... I should like to know if one 5'25 unit like the used for the PS/2
(with 37 pin)
could work connected to one Xerox 820. It was one 360k unit, I think. And I
have
one.
Another option, if there is no cabling problem, would be to use a couple of
IBM PC 5.25 floppy units, arranging one ribbon floppy cable in the same that
you
used with the 8" inch. I suppose would be easy to use one program to copy
the "standard" CP/M image available in some websites (prepared for the Xerox
820)
to 5.25 floppies.
Thanks and Greetings
Sergio
2 p.m.
New subject: Xerox 820
There was a business in Beaverton who sold a simple
board to run
both 5 1/4" drives and 8 inch drives on the Xerox 820 at the same
time.
Uh... Four floppies?
If anyone comes uiop with the info I would be
intersted too as I still
have an 820.
Me too :-)
Regards
Sergio
15 May
15 May
2:01 a.m.
New subject: Xerox 820
On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:29:23 -0700
Paxton Hoag <innfoclassics at gmail.com> wrote:
There was a business in Beaverton who sold a simple
board to run both
5 1/4" drives and 8 inch drives on the Xerox 820 at the same time.
Evergreen technology??? Closed about 1990. I seem to remember it
wasn't hard to build.
If anyone comes uiop with the info I would be intersted too as I still
have an 820.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
I'm fairly certain that my BigBoard (I believe it was a clone of the
Xerox 820, I know it's an exact workalike) has a 50 pin connector for
the diskette drive.
I haven't ever brought up this particular BigBoard, but I had another
just like it in the 80's, which I used with 8" DSDD (720K) diskettes.
As I've said before I have my BigBoard all squirreled away with complete
docs including schematics. I'm involved in a BUNCH of spring
housecleaning and hope to locate it in the near future.
-Scott
-Scott
2:15 a.m.
New subject: Xerox 820
From: "Scott Stevens" <chenmel at earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 1:01 AM
On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:29:23 -0700
Paxton Hoag <innfoclassics at gmail.com> wrote:
The 820 is a clone of the BigBoard with some modifications. The BigBoard
was cloned by many including KayPro.
I have a large stack of Micro Cornucopia magazines that supported them I
need to scan.
If anyone can scan there docs and or send me disk images of the boot disks
I'll post them on my site.
This goes for any classic system, I have 7gb of webspace which should hold
quite a few disk images :-)
I am particularly interested in CP/M, Cromemco CDOS/CROMIX, and UCSD Pascal
and related sources for CBIOS & utilities but I am happy to post most
classic OS's (unless copyright holder objects).
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
There was a business in Beaverton who sold a
simple board to run both
5 1/4" drives and 8 inch drives on the Xerox 820 at the same time.
Evergreen technology??? Closed about 1990. I seem to remember it
wasn't hard to build.
If anyone comes uiop with the info I would be intersted too as I still
have an 820.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
I'm fairly certain that my BigBoard (I believe it was a clone of the
Xerox 820, I know it's an exact workalike) has a 50 pin connector for
the diskette drive.
I haven't ever brought up this particular BigBoard, but I had another
just like it in the 80's, which I used with 8" DSDD (720K) diskettes.
As I've said before I have my BigBoard all squirreled away with complete
docs including schematics. I'm involved in a BUNCH of spring
housecleaning and hope to locate it in the near future.
-Scott 
7:22 a.m.
New subject: UCSD p-code was Re: Xerox 820
At 01:15 AM 5/15/05 -0500, Randy wrote:
I am particularly interested in CP/M, Cromemco
CDOS/CROMIX, and UCSD Pascal
FWIW the Sage that I picked up yesterday runs UCSD p-code. I looked
through the manuals last night and I found the original disks for it.
Joe
11 May
11 May
3:39 p.m.
New subject: TIL-311 displays
Was someone looking for some TIL-311 displays recently for an Elf project?
This seller on eBay has some for around $3.25 each (with shipping) in
lots of 10 or 20. Unless you can find them cheaper seems like an ok
deal. No connection with this seller other than having bought
something from them in the past.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7514949973
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7515200622
10 May
10 May
4:38 p.m.
On Tue, May 10, 2005 12:54 pm, Brad Parker said:
I hate to ask an ebay question *here*, but I know some people here use
ebay.
Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have complained about ebay's
server and being unable to match the security protocol (I'm guessing the
SSL negotiation failed to converge)
Has anyone else seen this? Just curious. Any idea what it is?
I've seen it.
I'm pretty sure it had something to do with their outage the other day
(http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml). It seems to have hosed
AuctionSniper as well. . .
--
Erik Klein
www.vintage-computer.com
www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum
The Vintage Computer Forum
5:16 p.m.
Ebay was having numerous "hiccups" yesterday in general, among them was
item search and SSL connections
Curt
Brad Parker wrote:
I hate to ask an ebay question *here*, but I know some
people here use
ebay.
Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have complained about ebay's
server and being unable to match the security protocol (I'm guessing the
SSL negotiation failed to converge)
Has anyone else seen this? Just curious. Any idea what it is?
-brad
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6:17 p.m.
I use Firexox on Linspire and had the message once yesterday. But
what really concerns me more after reading this thread, I had seven
auctions that ended this morning and most of them went without bids
even though there were over 30 people "watching" each of them. I
wonder if their sniping which usually happens in the last hour somehow
got stifled. I also noticed that the only bids I got came from the
north eastern part of the country. I am beginning to think I got
hosed with three minimum bids that got away with it.
On 5/10/05, Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com> wrote:
I hate to ask an ebay question *here*, but I know some people here use
ebay.
Two different browsers in the past 24 hours have complained about ebay's
server and being unable to match the security protocol (I'm guessing the
SSL negotiation failed to converge)
Has anyone else seen this? Just curious. Any idea what it is?
-brad
--
Jim Isbell
"If you are not living on the edge, well then,
you are just taking up too much space."
W5JAI
UltraVan #257
CAL - 27 #221
1970 E-Type
1985 XJS
1982 XJ6
7:07 p.m.
On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 17:17 -0500, Jim Isbell, W5JAI wrote:
I use Firexox on Linspire and had the message once
yesterday. But
what really concerns me more after reading this thread, I had seven
auctions that ended this morning and most of them went without bids
even though there were over 30 people "watching" each of them. I
wonder if their sniping which usually happens in the last hour somehow
got stifled. I also noticed that the only bids I got came from the
north eastern part of the country. I am beginning to think I got
hosed with three minimum bids that got away with it.
Someone over on the BBC micro mailing list just mentioned exactly the
same thing happening to them, FWIW...
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