Complete Nova 1200 system (full rack) in an early 80's Honda Civic - basically, the top of the rack (with a 9-track drive) wedged in far enough so that it didn't fall out (good thing it has a strong roof) - the rest stuck out the back and weighed the car down to bottom out on its springs - The front end felt *VERY* light, and it would feel as if the front wheels came up if you accelerated while going over a bump. Fortunately I didn't have to move it far... (Wish I had taken a picture!) Regards, Dave -- dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html