On 5/23/2013 6:00 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: I don't think any 3270 other than ones that are more 3270 emulators have any setup mode that I can recall. All the smarts for options is in the controller and the protocol, upstream. One of the design goals with the 3270 was to concentrate the smarts in the control unit and put as close to just a keyboard and monitor on the desk of the user. Unless you use someones box that is closer to a PC running a 3270 protocol converter, the options on the 3270 side are limited. I think you'd have options on a third party box that might fake feature or behavior in the protocol, but the real iron just does what it does, and you change any options in the 3174. The key just blocks the keyboard Recall that the key would potentially go to the user, so blocking the setup mode from the user with the key would be a bit pointless as well.

Then again, it could be a problem of having the wrong keyboard. I bought this terminal and keyboard as a set, but the keyboard PN is 1389260. A quick search says that one belongs with a 3180 terminal, which are for System/36 or AS/400's. ________________________________________ From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] on behalf of Benjamin Huntsman [BHuntsman at mail2.cu-portland.edu] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:49 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: 3471 terminal Not to hijack my own thread, but are you certain no one does? Then again, I can't imagine one of these monsters would be any better for PC use than a regular PC-type Model M + PS/2 to USB converter. My 1984 Model M is my daily driver at work. As for the 3471 setup mode, there is a dedicated "SetUp" key in the bottom left of the keyboard. No combination of Alt or Shift plus the SetUp key takes me into any menus, though the article on the Argecy site suggests this terminal ought to have a menu-driven setup mode. Holding down any key while turning the terminal on puts it into keyboard test mode, but doesn't do anything from there other than test the keyboard. I suppose I don't really need to change any settings, since it works just fine with my 3174, but I still like to poke through everything... Thanks again! -Ben

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 01:49:27AM +0000, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 02:02:34AM +0000, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: I forget which model the AS/400 terminals we have at work are. They look a lot like the 3472 InfoWindow terminal I have, but they're 5250 twinax type terminals. They're also monochrome instead of color, one amber, one green. The SetUp key on their keyboards is in the same position as the one on your keyboard. You may well have the wrong keyboard for your terminal. It looks like I was mistaken. I thought I saved two 3472 terminals, but can only find one. The part number on its keyboard is 1394100. The SetUp key, as I described earlier, is the middle key in the far left hand column of keys. The keycap has ExSel on top and SetUp on the front. I just pulled out the terminal and fired it up. I'm a bit surprised. It does work. I figured being buried in the CE room it might have been a dud that was tossed in there and forgotten about. Pressing Alt SetUp does bring up the setup menu on it. If you have the wrong keyboard maybe it's just the key caps that are different. Since they have the same type of plugs maybe they're the same basic keyboard under the hood. It might be worth a try pressing Alt plus the middle key in the left hand column of keys even if that key doesn't say SetUp on your keyboard. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://Lassie.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 01:49:27AM +0000, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: I'm not positive. I think I read somewhere that the protocols PC and 3270 style keyboards use are different enough that it wouldn't be easy to make an adaptor to connect a 3270 type keyboard to a PC. I love my model M. I got the one I'm still using today back when I had a 486 PC, and it was a used keyboard when I got it. But, when running MVS under Hercules or accessing z/OS running on my employer's mainframe from my PC at home I'd love to have a full 3270 style keyboard with 24 PF keys, a clear key, an enter key in the right place, etc. Of course I'd be just as happy using a real 3270 style terminal at home, like the 3472s I have, if they're functional. I really need to get myself a 3174 one of these days. We have one channel attached 3174 left where I work, bus and tag believe it or not. It has two floppy drives and a token ring card. Hopefully I can talk my employer into letting me save it from the scrapper if it ever gets retired. With a few other token ring items it should be able to connect to Hercules, depending on microcode level and memory. I'm not sure about the microcode level or amount of memory it has. Looking through the stash of microcode disks I have here at home, that I saved from being tossed, I only have a couple of the 2.4 MB microcode disks and they're level B4.6, which is too low. I do have one 3270 style PC keyboard but some of the keys don't work, at least not with Linux, and it's not a buckling spring keyboard so I keep going back to my model M. I did find one site that sells a PC compatible 3270 buckling spring style keyboards but now can't seem to find it now. I think this might have been the URL: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/122keyterkey.html but it gets a page not found error now. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://Lassie.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.