28 Mar
1999
28 Mar
'99
6:43 p.m.
By all means if you can get a shot at it do it, get them all.
I would be interested in a complete set of each:)
Francois
Having said that, I did see a good amount of Model 100s
and their
accessories (disk drives, manuals) and a couple of other Tandy things
(cassette recorders). Is any of this especially rare? Some machines might
be model 102s, since I saw the 102 tecnical manual. It would be a fair
amount of effort to get everything; I might be able to convince the surplus
people to make the Tandy stuff their own lot, but I'm not optimistic about
that.
-- Derek
28 Mar
28 Mar
6:53 p.m.
By all means if you can get a shot at it do it, get
them all.
I would be interested in a complete set of each:)
Francois
Please clarify what comes in a set. Previously, I had only seen a rather
battered 100 (in one of the back rooms of the computer lab). When I went to
the surplus warehouse the other day, I saw an assortment of machines (some
in cases), some disk drives, and a few different manuals. They weren't
well-organized; I still don't know what came with the 100 "out of the box".
-- Derek
7:41 p.m.
By all means
if you can get a shot at it do it, get them all.
I would be interested in a complete set of each:)
Francois
Please clarify what comes in a set. Previously, I had only seen a rather
battered 100 (in one of the back rooms of the computer lab). When I went to
the surplus warehouse the other day, I saw an assortment of machines (some
in cases), some disk drives, and a few different manuals. They weren't
well-organized; I still don't know what came with the 100 "out of the
box".
11:23 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
I too would be interested in a few of these. I've
been rather lax in
obtaining TRS equipment, and so I only have a TRS-80 model 4, and its
in the wrong case (it looks like a model 3).
What, a Model 4 in a grey case? Not too many of the Model III --> 4
upgrades were sold, what you've got is uncommon.
If you mean something that looks like a Model III but the case is
white, that _is_ a Model 4, stock issue.
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
11:20 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
The kid I got this from had a broken model III with a perfect case,
and a working model 4 with a broken case and possibly worn out
monitor, and he swapped pieces to come up with a very good model
4 in a grey case. Or i suppose i should say, in a *RARE* grey case ;)
-Lawrence LeMay
I too would be interested in a few of these.
I've been rather lax in
obtaining TRS equipment, and so I only have a TRS-80 model 4, and its
in the wrong case (it looks like a model 3).
What, a Model 4 in a grey case? Not too many of the Model III --> 4
upgrades were sold, what you've got is uncommon.
If you mean something that looks like a Model III but the case is
white, that _is_ a Model 4, stock issue.
11:56 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
The kid I got this from had a broken model III with a
perfect case,
and a working model 4 with a broken case and possibly worn out
monitor, and he swapped pieces to come up with a very good model
4 in a grey case. Or i suppose i should say, in a *RARE* grey case ;)
What you have then is equivalent to an upgraded Model III, since the
Model 4 upgrade was essentially a mobo replacement, all other pieces
were the same between the two machines. (Well, floppy vendors
changed back and forth a couple of times). Though some Mod 4s with
green tubes got through the system, I'm told (I never saw one).
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
29 Mar
29 Mar
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4:12 p.m.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
You're right, I forgot the Mod III didn't have those (years since
I've actually looked at a III in fact).
Total mind-fart on that one. That's what I get for composing
messages at the end of a sleepless weekend. It's the white
screen desktop 4s that were rare, the 4p started out with white
then went green. I did know one guy who dropped his 4p and broke
the tube, went with a third-party amber replacement.
What you have
then is equivalent to an upgraded Model III, since the
Model 4 upgrade was essentially a mobo replacement, all other pieces
were the same between the two machines. (Well, floppy vendors
Not quite. The keyboard is different (the model 4 one has extra keys on
it). Although you can use the wrong keyboard with either machine - the
extra keys are in unused positions on the 8*8 matrix on the Model 3 and the
keyboard cable pinout is the same. The Model 4 _disk machines_ had a sound board as
standard. No idea why
this was a separate board - all it consisted of was a 7474 D-type (half
used) + a transistor driver + a minispeaker. As there was an unused half
of a 7474 on the CPU board right next to the sound connector. It would
probably have been cheaper to put the few extra components on the CPU
board. Go figure.
Don't recall ever noticing the sound board. I wasn't all that
hardware hacking oriented in those years.
changed back
and forth a couple of times). Though some Mod 4s with
green tubes got through the system, I'm told (I never saw one).
Do you mean that? I thought all Model 4's had green CRTs. Mine certainly
does (early S/N non-gate array board) Model 3's have white CRTs as standard, although
there were aftermarket
replacements with green or amber screens.
Advertised in every epidode of 80-Micro.
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
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8:21 p.m.
Once upon a midnight dreary, Ward D. Griffiths III had spoken clearly:
Total mind-fart on that one. That's what I get for
composing
messages at the end of a sleepless weekend. It's the white
screen desktop 4s that were rare, the 4p started out with white
then went green. I did know one guy who dropped his 4p and broke
the tube, went with a third-party amber replacement.
Hummpf. There were six white-screen Model 4's at my high school - I always
thought white was the standard for them. Maybe I should go find out if
they're still kicking around there??? ;-)
Advertised in every epidode of 80-Micro.
^^^^^^^
You sound stuffed up - maybe a nice cup of tea could help??? ;-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
28 Mar
28 Mar
11:16 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Derek Peschel wrote:
Please clarify what comes in a set. Previously, I had
only seen a rather
battered 100 (in one of the back rooms of the computer lab). When I went to
the surplus warehouse the other day, I saw an assortment of machines (some
in cases), some disk drives, and a few different manuals. They weren't
well-organized; I still don't know what came with the 100 "out of the box".
Out of the box, a Model 100 came with a soft case and a manual. The AC
adapter was extra (and a couple of months late).
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
29 Mar
29 Mar
1:27 a.m.
Out of the box, a Model 100 came with a soft case and
a manual. The AC
adapter was extra (and a couple of months late).
Thanks, Ward. It helps to have an expert around. However, I saw two
different manuals: a user's manual and a pocket-sized "quick reference"
manual.
(Neither was fantastically informative, unfortunately... I was hoping for
info about machine language or a complete table of characters and key codes.
There was a table in both manuals, but I'm not sure if I would trust it.
Some info about entry points in the technical manual; no source.
Considering that the software was written by Microsoft, I'm not surprised,
but still.)
What's the difference between the 100 and the 102? Any other models?
-- Derek
4:17 a.m.
What's the difference between the 100 and the 102?
Any other models?
Isn't there some really active Model 100 mailing list or newsgroup even?
Regarding the pile, at least in the GSA surplus office I visit, lots are
"received" into the warehouse and entered into the computer. To split a lot
it has to be somewhat formally "received" again and broken up. They haven't
been willing to do it for me.
8:15 p.m.
Once upon a midnight dreary, Mike Ford had spoken clearly:
Okay... haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but I *do* have to step in
here... (so I don't have a 4000 page email by the time I'm done with the
thread! ;-)
There is a good mailing list for the Kyocera-based laptops (Tandy Models
100/200/102, NEC 8201A, Olivetti M10, and others -- but not the Tandy 600 -
it was OEM'ed by Zenith) -- to subscribe send an empty message to
m100-subscribe(a)list.30below.com, you'll receive a confirmation email, just
click reply and send. You'll be subbed. If you have problems, just contact
me - I admin the list.
Also, if anyone -- ahem -- *Anyone* has any Model 100/102/200 files, just
email them to me, I have an FTP space available as well:
ftp://ftp.30below.com/Model100
The man to know about the Model 'T's as they're affectiontely called is
Rick Hanson - he *still* makes a portion of his living by supporting these
beloved little machines - his website is chuck full of information,
programs & stuff for them: http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html *Plus* he
has a guestbook, for sale and wanted classified lists - you can go there to
get a good idea what the computers are still worth, which is considerable
despite their age. They were *very* popular machines, especially with
journalists. Tell him I sent you... he's a fantastic guy.
If you have any other questions (which I may get to later in the thread),
just send 'em my way.
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
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Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
What's the
difference between the 100 and the 102? Any other models?
Isn't there some really active Model 100 mailing list or newsgroup even? 
30 Mar
30 Mar
9:23 a.m.
Has anyone come right out and told you to buy the stack of M100/M102
and re-sell them? There is still an active market for them, here
if not in other forums.
- John
11:46 a.m.
Has anyone come right out and told you to buy the
stack of M100/M102
and re-sell them? There is still an active market for them, here
if not in other forums.
Yes. The problem is whether I'll be forced to get a bunch of other
unrelated equipment as well (in which case I'll need to get rid of the other
stuff and the whole effort will be less tempting).
-- Derek
1:56 p.m.
Has anyone
come right out and told you to buy the stack of M100/M102
and re-sell them? There is still an active market for them, here
if not in other forums.
Yes. The problem is whether I'll be forced to get a bunch of other
unrelated equipment as well (in which case I'll need to get rid of the other
stuff and the whole effort will be less tempting). 
5:03 p.m.
At 11:56 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote:
Rent a truck and keep your mind focused on the educational value the
experience will have.
Yeah. And the exercise!
Also you might be able to cut a side deal with
Has anyone come right out and told you to buy the
stack of M100/M102
and re-sell them? There is still an active market for them, here
if not in other forums.
Yes. The problem is whether I'll be forced to get a bunch of other
unrelated equipment as well (in which case I'll need to get rid of the other
stuff and the whole effort will be less tempting). another bidder to take the stuff you don't want at
some reduced price.
Or just post it here. Someone will want it.
Joe
29 Mar
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4:01 p.m.
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
The biggest difference from a user's point of view was that the 102
expansion bus was a header connector, easier to connect than the big
DIP socket under the 100 -- a real advantage with the Disk/Video
interface.
--
Ward Griffiths
"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then
you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor
What's the
difference between the 100 and the 102? Any other models?
The M102 is thinner, and uses standard 8K*8 RAM chips rather than the
4-chip hybrids used in the M100. Probably electronic differences as well,
but I have neither the M102 or its tech manual.
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4:57 p.m.
(Neither was
fantastically informative, unfortunately... I was hoping for
info about machine language or a complete table of characters and key codes.
There was a table in both manuals, but I'm not sure if I would trust it.
Any particular reason why you don't trust it? I've not found any errors
in that table... The tech manual is pretty good on the hardware side
(full schematics,
theory of operation, etc), but a bit lacking on the software side. It
gives a number of useful entry points, but of course there are many more
that _aren't_ there...
Well, yes, exactly. See above.
-- Derek
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