11 Feb
2011
11 Feb
'11
6:04 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
I think that's a bit contrived Tony - after all _any_ later bid would drive
up the price you have to pay, this isn't a function of sniping.
Bob
That makes no sense.
sniping does not drive up prices like early bidding does.
Of coursei it does. If I (early bid) $50 for an item with an opening bid
of $5, say, and somebody snipes me at the last minute with a $20 bid,
then the price I have to pay has been driven up. 
11 Feb
11 Feb
6:11 p.m.
that's not true.
sniping is very limited to the last few minutes of the auction,
if not the last few seconds. and a limited number of bids can happen at that point.
therefore it does not equal to the same thing.
it is very hard to "drive the price up" in the last few seconds the way early
bidding does.
early bidding serves only one purpose - drive the price up.
in fact, normally early bids before the last day have driven the price up beyond full
retail.
there's no longer any point in bidding on the item. I've seen this happen a lot.
people still buy items because
1) they're stupid
and
2) they think since it's fleabay they must be getting a deal
and with the tie-in to paypal and excessive fees, and lack of sellers being able to leave
negative feedback for buyers,
it's really gone down hill.
From: bob at theadamsons.co.uk
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Sniping Does Not Require Justification!
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 23:04:10 +0000
Tony Duell wrote:
I think that's a bit contrived Tony - after all _any_ later bid would drive
up the price you have to pay, this isn't a function of sniping.
Bob
That makes no sense.
sniping does not drive up prices like early bidding does.
Of coursei it does. If I (early bid) $50 for an item with an opening bid
of $5, say, and somebody snipes me at the last minute with a $20 bid,
then the price I have to pay has been driven up. 
6:45 p.m.
Ebay is trying to turn into a store and ditch the flea market format, which
is why BIN is so cheap to list.
Some people have no idea what retail is, so they have no clue if they are
overpaying.
How much does it cost for an individual to get credit card payments any
other way then Payapal? Do you want to take my bad check for a $1000 laptop
around Christmas, how about a fake Post Office money order? I am sure it is
nice being able to do a retaliatory negative feedback on ebay for something
the seller screwed up in the first place. Ebay is tilted toward the buyer
just like any other store, the seller still get millions of eyeballs to
offer their products but get squeezed out by the large corporate commodity
sellers just like in real life.
The fact is without ebay the vintage computer equipment market would crash
overnight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Gahlinger" <dgahling at hotmail.com>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: Sniping Does Not Require Justification!
in fact, normally early bids before the last day have driven the price up
beyond full retail.
there's no longer any point in bidding on the item. I've seen this happen a
lot.
people still buy items because
1) they're stupid
and
2) they think since it's fleabay they must be getting a deal
and with the tie-in to paypal and excessive fees, and lack of sellers being
able to leave negative feedback for buyers,
it's really gone down hill.
12 Feb
12 Feb
4:01 a.m.
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Teo Zenios wrote:
Ebay is trying to turn into a store and ditch the flea
market format,
which is why BIN is so cheap to list.
Some people have no idea what retail is, so they have no clue if they
are overpaying.
How much does it cost for an individual to get credit card payments any
other way then Payapal?
I accept credit cards through moneybookers.com. The customer doesn't need
to sign up for anything and you never see their credit card number.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
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