15 Dec
1998
15 Dec
'98
4:17 a.m.
Ok... being somewhat bemused by the thoughts of a 'feeding frenzy', and
sadly short on $$ (as is all too common this time of year), and not
wanting to be accused of 'selling out' on eBay without offering to the
more civilized set first, and... (etc., etc., etc...)
Let's chuck another (yule) log into the flames and see how badly I get
scorched with this one... (quite the build up, eh?)
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Deemed (reluctantly) surplus to the collection:
SOL-20, electronically restored and keyboard rebuilt
w/ P.T. 16kra memory card
- AND -
(so the eBay set does not feel left out)
*RARE* original Panasonic B/W TV/Monitor conversion from P.T. with
touch-plate power switch!
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Not that I want to start a bidding war (or then again, why not?) so lets
say that it could be had for $600 plus shipping, with a possibility of
part/all trade for something similarly really cool! (tho I could really
use the $$$)
Then, if the feeding frenzy really starts, folks can start openly bidding
up the "ham sandwich"! B^}
"Call now! This offer only good thru noon PST Friday, 18-December-1998
or while supplies last! This offer may not be repeated! Operators are
standing by!"
(quickly donning the flameproof 'Santa' suit)
-jim
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Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
15 Dec
15 Dec
5:51 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, James Willing wrote:
Not that I want to start a bidding war (or then again,
why not?) so lets
say that it could be had for $600 plus shipping, with a possibility of
part/all trade for something similarly really cool! (tho I could really
use the $$$)
Speaking as a cheap bastard who would never pay this much for a Sol, I'd
like to see it offered on eBay just to see what it would fetch. The last
one I saw sell there brought $300, but it was non-working, and it was
before a certain money-is-no-object bidder joined the fray.
BTW, I appreciate the gesture, but I don't understand the logic of
offering it to this list rather than the public at large. This is an open
list -- anybody can subscribe, and many do without becoming list
contributors. There's no guarantee that somebody who buys here won't
resell it on ebay or elsewhere for more. In fact, since the internet
affords a certain level of anonymity, a "dealer" could easily pose as a
mild-mannered collector if they wanted to.
If the goal is to ensure that it stays in the hands of a collector who
will maintain it and not resell it for profit, then I think a simple
contract could be drawn up to help ensure that, and those conditions could
be stated in the ad.
-- Doug
6:07 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Doug Yowza wrote:
If the goal is to ensure that it stays in the hands of
a collector who
will maintain it and not resell it for profit, then I think a simple
contract could be drawn up to help ensure that, and those conditions could
be stated in the ad.
Such a contract would be pointlessly unenforceable.
Nobody should ever feel guilty for wanting to sell anything in their
collection for any reason.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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6:20 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
It would not be pointless: it would make the seller's intentions clear.
And it would not be unenforceable. It would be difficult and unlikely to
be enforced, just like most laws.
If the goal is
to ensure that it stays in the hands of a collector who
will maintain it and not resell it for profit, then I think a simple
contract could be drawn up to help ensure that, and those conditions could
be stated in the ad.
Such a contract would be pointlessly unenforceable. Nobody should ever feel guilty for wanting to sell
anything in their
collection for any reason.
There was no guilt trip implied. If money was the only motivation, then
this isn't the best forum to sell. If passing it on to another collector
was the motive, then offering it here is no guarantee of that.
-- Doug
7:48 a.m.
> Not that I want to start a bidding war (or then
again, why not?) so lets
> say that it could be had for $600 plus shipping, with a possibility of
> part/all trade for something similarly really cool! (tho I could really
> use the $$$)
Speaking as a cheap bastard who would never pay this
much for a Sol, I'd
like to see it offered on eBay just to see what it would fetch. The last
one I saw sell there brought $300, but it was non-working, and it was
before a certain money-is-no-object bidder joined the fray.
USD 300 is ok - not realy low, but still afordable, if one
wants it - for a working unit (And I assume mine will work,
since I trust the seller _AND_ I have his address and at
least 220 punds to argue with).
BTW, I appreciate the gesture, but I don't
understand the logic of
offering it to this list rather than the public at large. This is an open
list -- anybody can subscribe, and many do without becoming list
contributors. There's no guarantee that somebody who buys here won't
resell it on ebay or elsewhere for more. In fact, since the internet
affords a certain level of anonymity, a "dealer" could easily pose as a
mild-mannered collector if they wanted to.
Shure, but as long as the sale goes as free style offers, the
seller is still able to pick the one who wants to sell to, And
this offers the oportunity to take someone that he (the seller)
thinks will handle the unit properly.
And if it fails and the wolve steps out of the sheeps disguise,
I still belive in the 'self healing of a comunity and the ability
of every individual to remember :) Tit for Tat starts best with
cooperation.
If the goal is to ensure that it stays in the hands of
a collector who
will maintain it and not resell it for profit, then I think a simple
contract could be drawn up to help ensure that, and those conditions could
be stated in the ad.
Finaly no contract can enshure it - even a 'no sale at all'
paragraph can be void under some circumstances, and a court
might rule against it.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
8:04 a.m.
Doug Yowza wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, James Willing wrote:
As I recall, the first one I saw offered on eBay sold for somewhere around
$750 or so. I talked to the gentleman who bought it, and his comment was
that it was in mint condition, included peripherals like floppy disk drives,
and complete documentation. Two things I remember about that auction: 1)
Don't keep making bids throughout the whole bidding process as it only
drives the price up (my inexperience <sigh>), and 2) the person who offered
it for bid forgot to put a reserve price on it, and stated in an added note
that he reserved the right not to sell it if he didn't get at least $25.00
for the setup! He had bought this stuff new years ago.
Not that I want to start a bidding war (or then
again, why not?) so lets
say that it could be had for $600 plus shipping, with a possibility of
part/all trade for something similarly really cool! (tho I could really
use the $$$)
Speaking as a cheap bastard who would never pay this much for a Sol, I'd
like to see it offered on eBay just to see what it would fetch. The last
one I saw sell there brought $300, but it was non-working, and it was
before a certain money-is-no-object bidder joined the fray. 
8:24 a.m.
> On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, James Willing wrote:
>
> > Not that I want to start a bidding war (or then again, why not?) so lets
> > say that it could be had for $600 plus shipping, with a possibility of
Doug Yowza wrote:
>
> Speaking as a cheap bastard who would never pay this much for a Sol, I'd
> like to see it offered on eBay just to see what it would fetch. The last
> one I saw sell there brought $300, but it was non-working, and it was
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Marvin wrote:
As I recall, the first one I saw offered on eBay sold for somewhere around
$750 or so. I talked to the gentleman who bought it, and his comment was
that it was in mint condition, included peripherals like floppy disk drives,
and complete documentation. Two things I remember about that auction: 1)
Don't keep making bids throughout the whole bidding process as it only
drives the price up (my inexperience <sigh>), and 2) the person who offered
it for bid forgot to put a reserve price on it, and stated in an added note
that he reserved the right not to sell it if he didn't get at least $25.00
for the setup! He had bought this stuff new years ago.
You are both right about the two instances of a SOL auction, but
Marvin's recollection isn't quite accurate.
For the record:
*************************************************************************
Antique Processor Technology Computer Item #65230
Current bid $456.00
Auction ends Tue 09/02/97 12:58:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Seller swantola(a)mobius-inc.com (4) (registered user)
Current high bidder jerrysch(a)erols.com (36) star (registered user)
Number of bids made 25
Location of item Stamford, Ct.
Category Computers:Hardware:General
Description
My first "Pre-PC" purchased new in 1977. This "Sol Terminal
Computer" is a complete working S-100 bus machine which runs a form
of CPM (TSA/OS). Machine uses twin Suggart 8" IBM format floppy
disks for source code input (BASIC or Assembler code). A 64x20
video monitor is used for a display and a cassette interface can be
used to input BASIC or Assembler source code as well. Parallel
printer port. Complete set of SOL manuals and 8"floppys included.
Buyer pays shipping.
______________________________________________________________
On 08/25/97 at 12:41:28 PDT, seller added the following
information:
***IMPORTANT NOTE: My reserve price of $24.95 was not placed in
thisauction dispite my efforts to enter it. I reserve the right to
refuse to sell this item unless the highest bid is at least $24.95.
*****************************************************************************
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Vintage/old Sol Terminal Computer. Item #27396567
Computers:Hardware:PC Systems
Currently $305.00
Quantity 1 # of bids 14
Location Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Ends 09/02/98 12:46:38 PDT
Seller kstumpf(a)unusual.on.ca (6)
High bid alexzogh (95) star
Description
The Sol Terminal Computer designed by the Home Brew Computer Club
president Lee Felsinstien and was built by Processor Technology in 1976.
Does not work. No documentation. Exterior condition is very good,
especially the wooden side panels, Buyer pays for shipping in advance.
Also included is a complimentary copy of: A Guide to Collecting
Computers and Computer Collectibles: History, Practice, and Technique
****************************************************************************
8:41 a.m.
Stephen Dauphin wrote:
For the record:
*************************************************************************
Antique Processor Technology Computer Item #65230
Current bid $456.00
Auction ends Tue 09/02/97 12:58:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Seller swantola(a)mobius-inc.com (4) (registered user)
Current high bidder jerrysch(a)erols.com (36) star (registered user)
Number of bids made 25
Location of item Stamford, Ct.
Category Computers:Hardware:General
*****
<snip>
My recollection sure was off; thanks for posting this! The person who
bought it is Jerry Schneider and his comment was that this one was better
than one he had in the Smithsonian. Jerry still shows up on eBay auctions.
11:57 a.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Marvin wrote:
My recollection sure was off; thanks for posting this!
The person who
bought it is Jerry Schneider and his comment was that this one was better
than one he had in the Smithsonian. Jerry still shows up on eBay auctions.
By the way, I have heard of one instance where a guy bought an AIM65 off a
usenet auction for around $120 and then turned around and sold it to a
museum (the Smithsonian I believe) for $600 (or perhaps higher...I can't
remember the exact figure).
Take your own conclusions from that.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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12:12 p.m.
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Sam Ismail wrote:
By the way, I have heard of one instance where a guy
bought an AIM65 off a
usenet auction for around $120 and then turned around and sold it to a
museum (the Smithsonian I believe) for $600 (or perhaps higher...I can't
remember the exact figure).
Are you sure he didn't sell it to Fred Smithsonian of Long Island, NY? Or
perhaps it was Joe's Museum of Big Bluff, WY?
-- Doug
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